Yes, I don't know why they changed the rule where if they couldn't get a red light dance they had to do one song on stage. This will eliminate girls from not coming out of the dressing room and it will promote the girls by seeing them on stage. I also agree with fining them if they dont come out. As for Carmen, its not that shes 21 and can drink, it's that she's in a club which is 18 and above/alcohol free and can get the club in trouble.
what???? underage drinking???? not at the vu. ha ha ha
ask justin how many underage was drunk at his bbq behind the vu
as for carman shes 21 so what does it matter
im with you on the dancers being on stage if they dont get dances with the red light. they use to be call the loser dancers
I've never seen so many dancers not come out when they are supposed to during red lights and bachelor/brithday events. I remember the days when if you couldn't get a dance during red lights you had to go on stage with the rest of the other dancers. Bring that back. Some of these girls don't even try, just getting drunk in the back. And wheres the crackdown on that?? Carmen had her 21st brithday last week and was drunker than a skunk and supposedly working as well. Way to turn a blind eye to underage drinking deja vu!!
Granted, dancers should be on the floor when they are not getting costume changes or taking a break to eat, refreshing themselves. How they do it will determine the outcome. To harsh, those that can leave, might just do it.
I think the girls need to read what is being said on this bolg. They need to know what the guys want (more exposure of the girls) not just at last call, you know the last few minutes before closing. If a girl is to be at the club, say 11 o'colck, she needs to on the floor at 11 period not 2 hours later. I believe this is where management needs to crack down. They also need to limit the times a girl is out-side smoking, like once an hour. If the girl is out-side smoking, she sin't making any money and neither is the culb and the guys are getting pissed because there is no one in the club.
My point of view.
I'm not bitch'in about management, I am looking for improvement, perhaps to what was there before. In any business, there needs to be continuous improvement (or just being lucky) for long term survival. The Vu does a good about promotions and have made physical improvements to their clubs. The ones that I have been to, I rate well above average. But In this case, the issue is getting the dancers out of the dressing room and mingling with the customers. Problems gave testimony about the value of a little conversation. If management wants improvement, they have a carrot and stick decision, give dancers some coaching (carrot) or fines/terminations (stick).
this club has the same problems that seem to go on in a lot of strip clubs, i.e. girls hiding in the dressing room ect, maybe more so than others. But I think this would mean that the entertainers have more freedom of choice at the vu than other places. I've seen girls at O's get fined a hundred for leaving a shift early or heavy fines for other infractions. The good girls know how to make the money and are the reason I keep coming back here. The rest that hide in the dressing room are just kind of bonus girls, I see some pretty ladies on stage & get the occasional redlight when the feeding frenzy starts. The majority of the money I spend goes to the few that stay out and talk for a bit before asking for a vip.
Damn man why can't a guy give credit when credit is due, After years of bitchin' about Danielle she has evolved into a Great Manager and a Real Looker too.
Harry can be proud of the management staff he has in Lansing and the job they do. After all it is a for profit business, not a charity, and simply put the more money the dancers make the more profit the club makes.
It's Basic Strip Club Bizness 101 and the dancers who are the real pros's understand this and work with the managers and don't fight them over trivial petty issues like cigarette breaks and Bachelor/BD Party stage shows.
Some good points, but one thing remains: the Deja Vu is not what it was. With popular dancers leaving, others looking to leave and then dancers in the dressing room and not working the crowd, why come?
I'd be very surprised the Lansing Deja Vu closes. Also, I sincerly doubt it's an ex-employee or dancer with the negative posts.
Every place has it's ups and downs but this club has remained solid over the years and is a great place to relax and see some of the most beautiful women in the area. Whether you get on here to bash the club or praise it the Lansing Vu obviously gets under your skin. After all, if it was really that bad or doomed you wouldn't waste your time posting here repeatedly. My guess would be an x employee/entertainer or someone that got banned and wishes they could come back.
Have you guys seen any info on the feature? Tiger Wood's supposed mistress?
As a customer who over the years has frequented both the Kalamazoo Vu and the Lansing club, those of you in Lansing don't know how good you got it. Sure, there may be a bit of downturn right now, but the girls, the dances, the management, EVERYTHING, is still far better than Kazoo. And Kazoo still manages to keep chuggin'. In fact, they built a shiny new palacial structure a couple of years ago. So don't give up the ship, I don't think Lansing is doomed yet.
"Wtf - Do you watch any sports? they are always looking for the best"
thats right they are always lookin for the best. and they will change managers too if they have to. the best get top dollar unlike the girls here management rips them off.
mark my word this place is doomed unless there is a change of management. i said it once and ill say it again, this place is doomed.
There are differences between contactors and employees. But they do have one thing in common: they are there to "work", thus the term "worker" .
When I brought contractors in, I trained them in our procedures and the software they needed to use. I would also coach them about job expectations and the people they would be interacting with. I was responsible for this just like I was responsible for our employees. Training and coaching the workers is a management responsibility.
But now you have taken a cheap shot at the Detroit Lions. They have taken steps to improve their team. Wil the Vu management do the same?
As to how good Danielle looks, I am more interested in how she is running things.
" I've never seen any business improve by simply changing the "workers". As in any business, there will be changeover in the "workers". The question is: Will those who come be as good as those that left? "
Wtf - Do you watch any sports? they are always looking for the best unless you're the Detroit Lions who are bottom feeders.
Of course you could be like GM and let them get fat, lazy, overpaid, go broke, borrow taxpayer money, and let the union have ownership to rape you even more.
Buy some glasses dude - Danielle is one good looking gal and getting better everyday!!!
Also you had better look up definition of Independent Contractor and relationship to Management. It is not the same as with an employee.
"I may have to offer Remedial Classes in Stripper 101"
Unless you're being paid as a consultant, the training and coaching of dancers is a management responsibility. If they successfully accomplish this, the customers will be happier, the dancers will have more earnings and business revenue will be up.
DeJa Vu Corporate may have their ways, but at least you know what to expect when you enter one of their Clubs.
Tom, Justin, and Danielle all work hard to make this Club fun and it ain't easy in this economy. BWT has anyone besides me noticed the change in Danielle ? Damn she gets better looking everyday.
I may have to offer Remedial Classes in Stripper 101 since a few seem to have forgotten the Basics simply means making a customer want to give you all their money before they decide to give it to another Dancer or just take it back home with them.
There is still lots of money for the girls who have the right attitude, follow the basics, and be willing to work a little harder.
"Hey, if the dancers are unhappy, and the customers are unhappy"
so its up to the managemt to get things in order. i don't mean start yelling at the girls or rule with an iron fist. there has to some way to make the girls happy.
Ive said before that this place is about to close. its getting close my friends. an unhappy preformer results in unhappy clientel. sorry tom, danielle, justin maybe its time to move on.
I've never seen any business improve by simply changing the "workers". As in any business, there will be changeover in the "workers". The question is: Will those who come be as good as those that left?
Hey, if the dancers are unhappy, and the customers are unhappy, I'm not staying for a crappy time, I've got better things I could be doing with my time and money.
All I see are frustrated dancers, customers, and management . I also noticed dancers not coming out when supposed to as well. I say to management, save your energy and quit chasin girls out for red lights, and bachelor stage shows. Just "fine" them everytime they don't come out. Only thing they understand is losing money. If they're not happy, get out. These rules have been in place for years and are there to encourage them to make them money. Unhappy dancers make unhappy customers which equals a crappy time.
Here's my solution. I realize it's not perfect, but maybe it's a start. First of all, DJV needs to get rid of their sanitized corporate mentality. It's a real turn-off to all but the most hardcore customers. From the moment the customer walks thru the turnstiles, the customer knows it gonna be about money. And get rid of the vending machines in the dance booth and the VIPs. The company needs to stop taking a cut from the dancers. That just leads to cheating. Simply put, just charge a steep house rent. $150, $200 per shift. Then let the dancers set dance price.
The Vu has always had standards and rules for the club to keep things proficient. I think they should fine girls that do not come out on red lights. They have the dancers at their mercy because they have all their money at the end of the night. The dancers should be required to ask everyone, not one guy and hide in the back. Just a thought.
Another average night at the vu. Pretty much same dancers and attitudes seem to be tapering down. Although, the newer girls still have a long way to go to learn the business and hustle of being a dancer. I tipped a new gal like 3 times and not once did she come ask me for a dance. At red lights she only asked one guy and went straight in the back. If she'd ask me I had $500 to spend on her...oh well, her loss.
Hard job? Neurosurgery is a hard job. Being on a crab boat in the ice cold Bering sea is a hard job. How hard is it to provide customer service and support to the dancers. Being firm and setting the rules doesn't mean you have to be bitchy or a Prick. They really do lack basic managment skills. Anywhere else they would be all fired.
i wouldnt want their job. think about it. 80 women saying their on the rag and dont feel like dancing. 80 women doing durgs and drinking. 80 women saying im a free lancer and can come and go as i please. 80 women that are bitches. and then you got the customers that think they can run this place better. im happy being a has-been customer.
I don't really know Danielle. I've seen her at the end of her shift, but don't know much about her except lots of people on here think she is a real B**ch. And it's a given that most people know Tom can be a pr**k. Justin is OK, but even he has an atiitiude at times. Now I know managing these prima donna strippers is a real task, but many managers at other clubs are real cool. Does Corporate Deja Vu intentionally hire jerk wads or what?
What a novel idea...customer service. Danielle is the worst manager with zero customer service skills. I will NOT get dances on her shift. She makes customers very uneasy and doesn't manage anything well. Other day there was a fight and cops came and she did nothing. Also, too many dancers NOT coming out dressing room on red lights. How do you know customers don't have money when they don't even come out and ask.
Well said. I've complained and complained about this very subject but apparently it falls on deaf ears. And it's just not this club, but probably most clubs in the US. There are a few - and I mean a very few dancers - that do work hard and they end making very good money ($500 or more) a shift. They only go to the dressing room to freshen up (or until recently, a quick smoke). For once I want to hear a legitimate answer from a dancer why this is. And not the same old excuse -- I am tired of hearing "No, thanks, so I have given up on asking." Well, you DIDN'T ASK ME !!!
Question- is the club going to be open this Monday and hrs.?
Question - who will be working the day shift?
This would be a great time for management to answer and promote their club. I would really hate to drive an hr. to a closed place!
What an Enigma - Strippers all bitching they ain't making no money and they're in the dressing room most of the night. It is with utter amazement how few dancers are actually on the floor working the crowd and then they announce a special and they come out of backroom like flies on shit.
Sad so many have forgot they are in the sales business and never take time to meet the buyer. Wasn't that long ago things were different and the dancers were smart enough to know everyone is a potential paycheck and a buyer. We are there to buy, We just haven't decided who from and when.
Every day is about the same. There are the long time running regulars with their experience will please you. If you want young and new go at night I guess.
Passion, Dani, Victoria, Lilly, Hannah, Savannah and Rosalyn are usually there. Venus has been a no show lately. Tracy is hardly ever there.
Thought it was the absolute worst amateur night in club history, Maybe I should have paid better attention. The crowd didn't seem real enthused about the winner becoming a dancer and left me wondering who was dancing at Cheetahs.
Good part was all the Super Hott Regulars and all the Dance Specials and Free Gifts.
Besides with Jewell, Leah, Vixen, MJ, and Mary Jane all on the floor what more could a clubber ask for.
Unless it was Friday Night with the Huge Birthday Girl entourage filling up the tip rail really living the joint up.
Were we watching the same contest? no way was the winner hotter than the girl in the pink. But so many people complain that people who don't work there take the money and never become a dancer, so it's just easier to make the waitress a winner so that she will dance. I admit I cheered for the blond because she's a guaranteed dancer. I doubt the others will become dancers anyway.
the crowd picks the winner and clearly the new waitress had the highest applause...and my guess it wasnt only bc she worked there from what i seen she was the cutest girl in the contest..no offense to the other ladies...i say it was way fair.
I need a good dose of female entertainment this coming week daytime. What's your take on the best day and list of best girls available. Been some time since I have been to the club so hopefully some of the old goodies are still there and some new cute ones too.
I overheard a few guys talking about amateur night tonight and how the contest was unfair. Of course it was! The waitress no matter how flat or rhythmless or airheaded ALWAYS wins. Second, the girl in pink was scorching hot but probably came in 3rd because she didnt get completely nude nor did she get on all fours. This is how it works. Unfortunately looks dont matter as much as they should, but still an interesting amateur night.
Keep your eyes open and you may notice some day girls that haven't been at the club forever....a few night girls have come onto the day circuit. Bliss isn't working here anymore and I believe she is done dancing period.
Shit Happens - And these Checkers and Assistant Managers messing with your time is wrong as Hell.
Lately on some nights they don't have enough dancers to cover 3 stages and the girls spend all their time in stage rotation so the show must go on even though the dressing room maybe full girls not wanting to come out cause the crowd is small or they don't see any $$$$$$$$.
If my money is in the timer she is mine and ain't going no place until the Sparking Meter runs out and Red Light is on.
I have a complaint. Last Saturday night, I accepted a "Deal of the Century" dance from one of the dancers. We had one dance then one of the managers came to the cubicle and said they are beginning the side stage dances and she was up first. She questioned him, "Now?" and he was insistant, yes now! So she left. Much to her credit, she came back and got me later and finished the deal (I had pre-paid for the 2 dances). This kind of sucks. The managers need to go to Customer Service Training 101.
They may not all be 18 year olds but they definately get them in there for the contest. 18 doesn't always mean cute though so we don't always want to see them. And as far as MSU hotties it will be August before we see them anywhere again, even just walking down the street.
Ya, it sucks. I've only been to amateur night a half dozen times or so, and I always leave quite disappointed. FIrst of all, they are never really "amateurs". Typically, they are dancers from other clubs that come over with their friends who try to make a lot of noise and help their girl take home some quick cash. Worse yet, I've been to some clubs where the "amateurs" are retired dancers that I haven't seen around in like 5 years. I still keep wishing to see a true amateur - a MSU hottie or a fresh faced 18 year old. Alas, it doesn't happen.....sigh.....
Don't go for amatuer night. It sucks. They never let any of the girls work after the contest and so none of them ever end up working there. They take their money and run. They always get their lousy waitresses to do the contest and its pathetic to watch. Besides everyone leaves after the contest is over anyhow and no one spends any money.
You just have to ask them and hope they show up. Weekends are a good time to get a wider selection and a lot of them stick to the same days but it's nothing concrete & has the potential to change every week.
Kylie's a night girl. I'm not sure which because the girls only schedule themselves 1 day/night a week and they can change it each week, other than that they come & go whenever they want to. I have seen her more on weekends. Hope this helps.
I dont write much but this place is great, the day girls are oh-so-much fun and hot, best and freindly my little diamond, is great, So lets quit looking for bad and enjoy, Bad is not having a club like this within 500 miles like little arkansas so guys be thankful
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