The Sundowner Comments

that is your experience not ever1's

Any opinions on Cinnamon and Ashley?

Why does anyone go here? The girls start dancing in the middle of songs but expect full payment and they do not even take everything off.This is a good choice for anyone wanting to be ripped off.

, any chance of opening next door during the day .

That's no good. Did she offer takeout?

I think she went back home .

Probably sleeping with mgmnt.

Anyone have any info on Blonde Eve? Gorgeous with an incredible body...does she offer take out?

Why is she getting away everything , I remember Chris fired her before but I guess she must pay off the management .

So shes an elderly stripper? Time to hang up the thong scammer.

Man Fuck Madison..... loves overcharging

Is she a day time or night shift ?

No madison is at list 50 years old , watch out she is a pro and a con !

"menny"? are you implying something?

Well into her 40's still thinks she's 20. Arrogant bitch

I stoped today at Downer I was surprised how menny beautifull ladies were there keep it up good job

Over counting trailer trash.

Any info on a girl named Madison ? Good? Bad? Extras? Seems a bit older dark hair with blonde highlights.

Dancers should were their wedding ring. Always more exciting and fun to party with another guy's lady. It is. Everyone who has ever stolen a kiss or something more knows I speak the truth.

Most clients cannot afford to marry a dancer as their incomes are too small. So they make due with dances.

A lot of clients would marry a dancer. If not, then why do you go and party with one. Most guys have gotten around in their younger days as do the girls. Takes two to Tango. Some guys are so two faced.

Does that happened in the parking lot in the car ?

LMAO!!! It's 'technically' not allowed anywhere but pfttt... you're a naive fool if you think it doesn't happen at the Downer.

It's 20 $ per song or can pre paid for a hour .

We don't suck dicks at the sundowner it's not allowed !

Why would they buy a business when sll they have to do is suck dick?

Does she do the ol' not taking off everything until the 4th song trick. Noticed that happens a lot in this club.

I guess every dancers go for 20 $ per song. For a regular dance .

Does she offer $20 per song dances or is she only interested in going in the back for a specified amount of time e.g. $300 per hour of dances?

I always have a great time.

I don't feel any good vibes from all this reviews . Anything positive over here ? What's new and exciting at the Downer ?

Lol. You used some big words there Chief ( 4 letters...thats good !) . And your strategic use of exclamation points really helps get the point across. Bravo Chief ! Bravo !

No. I'll post whatever I want thanks!

Shut the fuck up if you don't know what you're talking about.

Tax breaks maybe? Not sure if walling off part of a bar, reducing the overall bar space means you get taxed less.

Or maybe they're creating a Chippendales or something along that line in the basement.

We all know they are making all kinds of weird decisions in this place now !

Never heard that about her before. I guess it explains the disappearing act every few months.

I was there last night. The Flamingo Lounge looks like it's closed? (stairs leading down to it sealed off by a new, main level floor where those stairs used to be). Anyone know why they did this, and whether or not it's a permanent move?

My favorite is Diana , so sweet and generous always !

Her asshole boyfriend probably beat the shit out of her again.

Anyone seen Kinder lately? Haven't seen her the last couple times ive been by.

We all know some day girls are nasty over here too . They are expensive !

No. A lot of customers are not looking for that at all. Maybe 10 years ago but not today. Low mileage clubs are a dying breed.

You are so classy ! Lol

Fuck you, you dumb CUNT! You don't like the comments... well you can go fuck off then!!!

Someone definitely has a problem with finding a companion. Talk to your shrink.

A lot of customers are just looking for a nice time with a great girl. Stop with the garbage about the dancers. What goes happens in Vegas stays in Vegas.

Keep it clean?!? What are you the village idiot? How the fuck do you expect a clean club to compete with extras clubs and MPAs and escorts??? There's a reason the club has fewer and fewer customers every year and fewer and fewer dancers and it's cause a clean club brings in less $.

Why are they letting her doing that shit ? I thought the downer wanted to keep it clean ! Not fare for the other dancers !

And she has worked long enough to invest her 500G in her future.

Its shannon 's dirty juice ! Yaks !

The afternoon girls should buy the place and turn it into a Vegas type fun place where the girls set the tone and show. Ten investing say 500,000 each and it would be yours. You are all running a small business now, so expand your business line. Would be an investment for your retirement years. This has happened to some US clubs.

Especially in the South VIP. Smells like week old cunt juices. Need to open the back door and air the fucking place out. Maybe call a hazmat team too.

Pussy meal not that fresh over here :(

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Too bad the management is not so nice with the dancers !

Well the buffet went to shit (and they got rid of it) so there's that change. And, the kitchen has been failing their health inspection reports steadily for the last couple years so that's another post-Christ change.

A very memorable time. I had a lot of fun. A lot. A really Grand and long afternoon with a great girl who put out a lot of effort to make me feel comfortable and engaged in excellent conversation when I needed a rest. Really, really nice and very, very much appreciated. Then, a wonderful evening with a lady. Both fully met my expectations of what I expected for a really great birthday and presents. Thanks for giving me some time from your life. I will remember forever. You know who you are.

LMAO. What changes? A few new TV's!

Yesterday daytime was a lot of fun for a lot of people. A really great afternoon for many who were there. Like the changes in surroundings that have been done recently.

Don't listen the negative rumors ! But day time is really boring over here this days !

! heard that they want to sale the the place soon !

Yes I see her Saturday afternoons

Is she still dancing at the downer? Petite blond daytime mid to late 30's I think.

It's the rumor that makes the most sense. With all the subdivisions going in that land has increased considerably in value. Prime location for a gas bar, Timmies, convenience store etc... The whole area out that way will get a large boost once Niagara Square is redeveloped - it'll be the anchor for housing right from Lundy's all the way back to Brown road and possibly further south. The development is bordered somewhat to the west at Garner road at the moment but I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if the Golf course is gone within the next 5 years and that'll spur the next development stage. Seds and the Downer day's are numbered.

That was the rumour back at the beginning of the year. Except for the "outside" management running the buisness.

Really looking forward to a grand long, long, long birthday party. Save the max time we talked about. Can hardly wait. Really excited.

That's sad as fuck to hear. Single best thing the Rudan kids could do is sell off this property and Seds next door to capitalize on the development going on around that area, and then convert the L8 club back into a strip club. But, not actually run the strip club, hire someone who actually knows what the fuck they are doing - may Jon/John who runs Cafe Atlantis, Loco, MDS and Midway Invader. Clubs are going the way of the whorehouse anyway. May as well make a buck off it.

Here is Jeremiah Rudan logic. Lets take out the buffet (apparently its not making money) burn the daytime business (btw buffet is supposed to make you brake even and bring in customers daytime to buy drinks that's where the money is). Moreover, let's pay Floyd Mayweather and his stupid money team $25,000 per hour (he was there for 2 hours) just to say i partied with the boxer (knowing the late Chris Rudan he would NEVER agree to this). No girls made money that night . I frequent the bar enough day and night to see how poorly the place is managed. Jeremiah hired some restaurant manager that worked there years ago who is useless, and his skinny friend i think his name is Sid...or something along those lines, who has ZERO experience and is looking how to have sex with dancers...btw zero customer relations. The kids have imposed blackmailing tactics on the dancers charging as high as $2000 to come back to work at the club if previously kicked out, also sexual favors in order not to be kicked out are not out of question. Lastly, i am surprised that no one has charged them yet for having CAMERAS in the change rooms where dancers change, it is ILLEGAL to do so as they contain toilets.

$50,000 for 2 hours for a millionaire boxer but lets take out the buffet LOL.

Maybe use that money to fix your roof and HVAC or throw a kick ass CUSTOMER appreciation night.

just my 2 cents.

Oh fuck off you clown! You and your little security fantasy's. This isnt the US. There's no need for that shit here.

Pat downs are a fact of security these days and are there for safety for all of us. However, they should be done by a 20 year old hot girl at strip clubs. I recall my military platoon patting down a hottie one day (there were big protest by the hottie) and the boys pulled a submachine gun off here inner thigh. Her hottie friend had 60 rounds on ammo on her inner thigh. So. pat downs need to happen. It is just a hottie should be doing it with the big guy as back up. This is not the airport, so the same sex pat down is not a concern. A guy can always ask for the big guy to do the pat down if that is what he wants. Enjoy the pat down.

Rudan kiddies are trying to run the club like it's still 2008. Market's changed. They should be grateful for anyone who walks through the door on a Monday night. First thing they do is shake you down. WTF?!?

Perhaps if they didn't charge a cover to come in on a Monday night I might stop by every once in a whiel

Watch the movie Showgirls on the weekend. Very good and appropriate. 66

Yep. Rudan kids haven't got a fucking clue. Bringing in pornstars who don't strip and a boxer is there answer to declining customers?!? Here's a suggestion - hot dancers who don't scam, reasonable drink prices and private VIP's. Pretty fucking simple formula.

They fired so many gils for nothing ,you don't even know plus they ask high floor fees for the dancers to work there . They should fire the dum night manager . Now no girls want to go back !

Yes it is all about making the client fell special. Everyone knows it is not real, but try to fake it. Overcharging dances and being rude kills repeat business that reduces dancers income (and that is what they are there for) and the clubs profit. Clients are leaving.

The stage is empty, so it is just another bar, and the drinks cost more. So, why go? The stage should never be empty. Never. Never.

I'd also like to add that Downer is dying because girls are becoming way too cocky, rude, and stuck up. All the scams and disrespect towards customers is making them slowly stop coming. The girls are to blame as well (obviously). And of course there are gonna be the good ones that aren't like that but unfortunately a good majority of them ARE, which makes it so difficult to be patient and find one you like. And of course poor management....

Many seniors and other afternoon patrons are just after a little clean fun. Viagra is 15 and a drink is 10 and 20 for two, so 25 to 35 to just to be there. Need better price and the place will fill up again. The club will make more money as will the ladies and girls. Yes the ladies will make more. More people equals more fun, and that is really what it is about for most guys.

Yeah not every customer is looking for the extra mile but the overall lack of customers compared to years previous should tell you the majority of guys have moved on to better options. That and the overall condition of the clubs and the closures here in Niagara l (Seds excluded since it's barely been used) tells you there are not enough customers going for the low-mileage option.

I'd like to add a different point to your statement. Not every customer walking into a strip club is looking for that extra mile or for the sex. Some customers go in there just for dance and conversation with a women. Maybe they're too nervous to use MPA or escorts because they're worried about bait/switch, pimps, etc. If what you are looking for is different than what a strip club offers then of course it's a waste of money. Your money would be better spent on escorts and MPAs. But to say that a pizza place makes terrible burgers and say they're gonna go out of business soon because their burgers suck would be silly because they specialize in pizza. Although I do agree that day time should shut down because it seems like there is no value being open at 12pm unless it's the summer. :)

Looking forward to birthday fun next week on the correct afternoon.

No the price isn't fine at all. To use an analogy: strip clubs are the horse and buggy in a car world only with prices that exceed a car. MPA's, escorts all offer better bang for the buck; all of use know that.The few non-extras strip-clubs are hold-outs hoping the glory years are going to come back - they're not. It's been 10 years since the great recession and if the Downer hasn't recovered to pre-recession levels then it's time to move-on and change the business model - a realignment where strip club prices actually reflect the value they bring and that's not $20 a song anymore; it's less than $20 a song.

Disagree. The price is fine, it's been only $20 for over the past 20 years without going up. What I need is new, preferably good looking girls.

There have been times I've been in here, looked around, and said to myself I wouldn't take any of them in back if it was free.

I'm spoiled from the old days, around 15 years ago, when there were constantly new girls showing up every week, coming in from all over. Back then there were so many hotties, you couldn't decide who to take in back first.

Dayshift has been hanging on by a thread for a while now. If Alexa and the Cubans and a couple other girls that all come down everyday form Toronto/Mississauga, all of a sudden decided it wasn't worth the trip anymore.....this place might as well close during the day.

Senior afternoons with 15 dollar dances would be a good business plan.

Well shit son, there's an easy fix for that - up the mileage or lower the prices. Ain't hard to figure out.

I feel sorry for this poor girls it's so dead day time now !

Has Alexa been doing her regular daytime hours? When's the best time to catch her?

I'll have to check her out. She looks great

Why didn't you go up and ask her? WTF!

Saw a girl collecting customer numbers is she offerin takeout menu at hotel?

whats name of that skinny latin girl? looks young

I want my french Lola back at the Sundowner , she was awesome !

What kind girl is Lola what she does?

Yes I prefer older dancers too better experience !

Don't worry she is counting !

Great time if she is there. Try Fri night and weekends. Go on the clock as it is more fun to not counting.

Anyone seen Autumn from Waterloo or Loki from Montreal lately?

Anybody have any experience with Emerald? She was mentioned here a little while ago but never heard any feedback. Really good looking Asian spinner but haven't seen her the last few times I've gone.

We are all getting older , it's normal , some older gentlemen had relationships for years with the older ladies and they felt comfortable with them . Some dancers are aging well and they take good care of themselves nothing wrong with that , plus younger guys like the milf fantasy this days .

, theres girls working here just as old as her ,

That's funny.

Itchy, scratchy, hairy, rashy and penicillin

Who is working today ?

Tooooooooo fucking old. Plus never really fit in at PE55.

She is not dancing anymore .

! what ever happen to that tall older dancer name Farhan she was French checked out private eyes not there !

There are retired now .

Start with I am not from Rochester

Looking for some girls that used to work here. Romanian ladies Valentina and Andrea and Hungarian Kitti. Anyone seen them lately?

You get what you negotiate, if you paid too much too bad for you.

The way of the world where there are no price tags in the bazaar

Yes I did ask that question. But it is not the answer to what I asked. Save a big chunk of the afternoon. I will confirm how many hours the week before.

You asked about the sticker on my car. Yes. I'm working all that week.

Really looking forward to a long birthday visit. Are you working the right day? You know who you are. Security question for answer. What did I buy my wife for a birthday present a few years ago?

I'm not cheap at all sweetie. The market decides what you're worth, not you. And you're not worth $400 today. Maybe yesterday you were but not today. Don't like it, that's too fucking bad. Go find something else to do with your life.

You are such a cheap F ! Lol

No. Maybe a few years back but not today it doesn't. Not when you factor in the better bang for the buck you can get from escorts and MPA's. $200 is nuts for a half hour. You get what from that? A case of blue balls. Fuck that.

Its 200 half hour ! It make sens

Say no if someone suggests 400 an hour. Find someone else. 200 is enough for an hour.

400/h but you should always negotiate if you're staying for couple hrs you can get a better deal

Who are the best girls here ?

How much is an hour?

Overcharging means no repeat clients. How simple is that? So, ladies/girls do not overcharge as it is a killer for what you make in the coming months and years.

Basically for guys it's no tank tops,gang colors,pants drooping half way down your ass. You know,don't dress like you just walked out of the hood.

Is there a dress code?

Oh my god ! Who talks like that ? Some serious crazy mean abuser !

Oh and the multitude of useless crap like designer purses, shoes etc... Like that other guy said how many fucking purses and shoes do you need?!?

As for the kids... well that's welfare too. How many of you fuckers are squeezing out a brat at regular intervals in order to keep the benefits rolling in? By the time your 40 you're on baby daddy number 3, 4 or is 5 or more? Those niggers and gym rat meatheads make such good daddy's right?

You guys are so mean no wonder nobody wants to work here day time !

Basic bitch trips abroad filled with selfies in front of various landmarks

Mortgage payment?!? Hahahaha. LMAO. No sweety welfare pays your rent for you, you little scammer. A mortgage is where you pay for a house with your own money. Money you don't have because you piss it away on shit you don't need

Do you have the lunch Buffet or a menu ?

Do you still have a kitchen here ?

whats name of that slim young latin dancer? looks similar to mariana

We pay our bills and morgages with our money dum ass ! Plus kids cost a lot of money idiots !

Couldn't agree more.

Slaves to their own greed. How many $1000 purses or $500 pairs of shoes do you need? Do you save anything? Or is your future a cock sucking affair at Mints or PE55? Your 30's will arrive faster than you think. You won't make the same amount of money then versus your 20's or teens!

They are more like slaves I guess if you take money from them for your fees ! Like milk cows !

They are not employee's!!! Not a difficult concept to understand. The club doesn't pay them to be there. The dancer's pay the club a fee to work there.

I would check at the labor board !

she is fucking hot...I want to eat her front and rear.

Yeah okay. The Rudan kids probably have enough brains not to say to the older gals that they're too old but they can certainly say we are going with some newer girls for whatever reason they want. And since the gals are nothing more than free lancers who pay to work at the club, the club can certainly terminate the relationship at any time.

Descrimination is not legal in canada !

Their probably cleaning out the older dancers again. She has to be late 30's / early 40's now. I remember getting dances of her back in 2000/01.

London went to Mints the playboy girl !

to many fat girls with tats and huge asses. who likes that

whats name of that slim young latin dancer? looks similar to mariana

What happened to Kelly? Dirty petit blonde.

So why no buffet anymore ?

some how I don't think they give a fuck.

Not a big fan of this one neither !

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Keep your experiences for yourself dude we don't care !

Sandra. Exceptional talker sex not worth the$$$$$

Its probably gonna be like when they get the pornstars in...Jump on stage and talk for like 1 minute and then charge $20 for autographs or something...Don't need to pay $25 for that shit...

I was at Seductions this afternoon and that's what the girls were telling me.Not sure what time.

Anybody going to this Floyd Mayweather shin dig Friday night? Got a feeling it's going to be a big flop. They had the Sundower closed all day and reopening at 8pm. Seductions is open all night.

I don't want to touch the pussy, I wanna stick my dick inside and bang that pussy out like a wild cowboy mother fucka, btw I will have them bitches walking all bowlegged.

Don't touch the pussy and you will not get charge more ok !

If I get ripped off I generally just pay the girl what she wants and then politely inform her that she just screwed up royally because I would have been willing to spend a lot more money on her in the future, but since she just had to have that extra $40 right now, she can say bye bye to thousands I would have given her in the future..

Anyone every refuse to pay ripoff amount?

The sign says $20 per song. Nothing about minutes. Place is a shithole and mgnt doesn't care.

The best for you is to prepay the dancer telling I only want 2 songs or 3 and no tricks will happen that way . All girls with big asses have to pay off the fat implant job !

No she's local. Lives in Niagara Falls.

This place is full of rip off artists, its hit or miss when trying someone new. Since management won't do anything about them all we can do is post on boards like this and out them hoping guys listen and avoid like the plague..So here is my bitch of the day.

Her name is Drea, from Toronto, dark brown hair, said she is of Columbian/Lebanese decent. Nice body, good tits and nice well rounded, normally type of girl I go for. So took her for dance and should have know right off bat wasn't going to go well, when she started in middle of song. I hate when girls do that. So basically by count (and I am an accountant so I know numbers for a living it was 2 and 1/2 songs, so I pulled out $60 to pay her. She says oh that not enough and runs to the bouncer, coming back saying its $120 bucks and then she say we have been back here for 15 minutes. First off I say well, you watch must be fast, because my phone says 12 minutes and on a normal day 12 at 4 minutes a song is 3 songs. She pulls out logic that songs are 3 minutes and we were back there for 15 minutes. Right again I say I dealing with someone who can't do back bath even in her effort rip people off as 15/3 should have been at ax $100 by her logic. So anyone, my approach to bitches like these is to basically say well I guess you won't be getting my business again, so enjoy the $120 bitch. By the way ask around and you will see If I like you and your not a bitch you are getting probably 10 times a month, minimum, but I guess you will never know will you. Sorry about your luck hope Karma comes a bites that fat ass of yours! Rant over

Back to Montreal I guess

Where club did the short blonde with the big cans and bubble lips go to? Think she tried out for Playboy a few years back.

Some went to PE and some went to Mints on weekends

Not the first time I've heard of this Madison overcharging for dances on here. Maybe someone from the club can chime in here and explain how she is still working here. Complaints have been made about her and others over counting dances. Girls like these are exactly why your club sucks. Maybe you should believe your customers and not the whores you have working here. The bouncer you have counting dances to prevent this is given money by the girl who overcharges the customer when forced to pay. Your dancers and bouncers are ripping off your customers. I stopped going here months ago because of this.

Where are the other older dancers now ? I liked my little French milf !

Most of them have some nigger with his hand out at the end of her shift. If they're willing to ride some nigger bareback there down for pretty much anything.

Probably screwing one of the owners or a bouncer. Totally thinks the place can't function without her. Just an arrogant bitch.

Why is she still allowed to work there at her age , I thought they were getting ride of the older girls at night time ?

Girls feel uneasy? That's funny, they take their clothes off for money and get fingered and have sex for money. Nothing makes these trashy broads uneasy. Give me a break.

Madison, what an arrogant bitch. From your face to your tits your fake. Your attitude sucks and you act like a whore. Plenty of other girls at the club. She'll overcharge you for dances every time guys beware. Plus your probably close to 50 time to put away your thong bitch.

Fuck off with this security shit! This isn't T.O. or the States.

Do a complete search. Do it with a hottie and a former military guy for back up. Just make it fun. The whole place is about fun for everyone spending entertainment money. So make it and enjoyable experience as it is necessary for all to make it sort of a safe place. Make it a fun place from the door to the VIP. This will get you loyal customers.

weirdos yes. drugs....that's funny. If they searched the girls for drugs there wouldn't be any girls in there. I wish I had a dollar for everytime a girl approached me with pot breath.

It's for the girls safety. I know you guys don't like it but there are a lot of fucking weirdos and creeps that come in and make the girls feel uneasy. Considering Niagara is a border town and lots of drugs pass through here I think it's the least they can do

A bikini clad 20 year old girl should be doing the body searches at the door. Then everyone would be happy and ready to spend money. It is not the airport.

Point was. I praise the hard working dancer Mom's. You have my upmost respect for making it all work for you kids and yourself.

almost stopped in.Glad I didn't.

A lot of trashy girls today ! So sad

Find a better job man so you can afford your life !

Hope all Mom's had a great day. See you soon. Being a Mom is a 500,000 cost. I do appreciate the commitment. Dad of two.

Pussy juice. Girls finger themselves and wipe their hands on the wall,couches etc

This place smells like cat urine , how often are they cleaning up ? Too many security guards who are very ennoying watching the dances !

Yes some girls think having a big ass is hot but guys don't like that , it's so gross .I prefer natural girls ,sweet , petite ,work out girls and fit . Plus too many tattoos look awful , where are they getting this freak shows !

To bad, great personality. And very open in the back will miss her.

I was in there today from 5:30 -7:00. Man o man there were alot of girls in there who got hit with the ugly stick.Seen 1 girl walking around and she had the worst ass implants I've ever seen. Overdone like you wouldn't believe.

I heard she was in Guelph now .

Does Sandy from Cambridge still dance ? Any info

It's road work season sweetie! Company's are looking for pylons something you would be perfect for.

What a dick , go back with your fat wife then idiot !