I often wonder what happened o Fancy the dancer I remember her back a few years ago Her dances were hot She said she lived in jersey city this was back in 2006-7
This place was pretty cool back in the day!! Now it is someone's apartment I believe.. Oh Lord, only God knows what has happened here!! Amen!! RIP Emeralds.. Miss u!!
I just text my drink orders to Karla and Trina since that is what they spend all their time doing. Say Hi to Tommy for me because I'm just to busy with the new place.
surprised no one writes here. this place is a goldmine not to mention the great booths for laps
What a blast I had hee last night.. You have to check this place out. It is worth the trip... Great management, they will succeed !!!!
i used tto come her with grand pops he was such a hit wiith the ladies. i always got laid with him around!
i used to enjoy this place especially when lidia was dancing here. she was soooo good. i used to treat her tolunch often
hi had a beer great dance hello
Ah, that's called service! When customers band together and get smart, and look for good service and will accept nothing less (don't go to lame bars or tip lame dancers) and reward the good performers, good things happen. Already the dry hump (that only hurts after a while) lap dance is so passe and dudes that were satisfied with that in the 90's are looking for something beter and more satisfying without the pain or long wait.
Theyre over at Showplace in dover
jess is dancing at showplace in dover now..mother..have noclue everyone else.. some are at showplace indover some at roxxiesinpatterson and one is at slappys or bluegoose whatever the name
can anyone tell me where I might find Dana, her mother, Jessica, some of the girls that work there.......thanks
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think shes working at Titallations in Bloomfield, check their website for dancers schedule
anyone know where a former dancer from this place might be working? she was young, thin, amazing ass, long black hair...was on the cover of dancing lady once....not sure of her name but she was pretty much one of the only hot ones working...any ideas where she might have moved on to?
ever? i miss this place
who are you looking for, that worked there let me know, i know were some are
the guys who worked here were really good, anyone know where they are??
is this place really closed?? it was fun
this place was a fun little hole in wall. hope opens up again..
There is no longer a sign over the door, and the outside lights were off when I drove by. I think it is closed down. Don't know where that other guy was talking about. Too bad though. The girls were not much to look at, but you could get a BJ right in the lap dance booth. Just hang your coat over the glass in the side and most of the girls there would take care of you. In and out without sitting around tipping all night. Oh well, guess those times are gone.
how could it be closed when i just left he place like.. an hour or two ago? its rockin..
this place has been closed since Sept, just wondered wtf you are smoking???
HI guys frequent this room often and honestly, i think i'm taking it off my list. i WOULD NOT under any circumstances, dream about traveling an hour to this place or any other in bellville. dances are monitored carefully and recently a new crop of dominican dancers have taken over, and have a completely poor attitude. perhaps the brazilians will return in the spring; but until then, the order of the day are these hostile dominicans or verrry old russian girls. all this aside, the place can have it's moments of fun; but lately they have become very sparse with the same tired dancers week after week.
is this place open? no posts
if and when this hole ever gets open with joe and his silent partner this place will come back to life.the cops will freak out big time- they cant control their own cops , see news papers recently? how will they ever patrol emeralds
it still looks closed to me
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great place to stop by . what happened here.. no posts? great place great women and loads and loads of fun in the partioned chairs section
want to wish everyone a Merry Chistmas and a Happy New Years
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Anyone know the girl in this month's Dancin' Lady ad & when she might be found here? Thanks.
this place is so far gone. it needes to just shut down for good.. that owner ran into the ground.... it will never be the same... good luck Joe, I think you will need it...
tell the staff to start looking for a new job, there owner probaly didnt say anything good about them. there lucky if he said anything to them that he sold the joint...........
Joe normally brings in his own staff
I herd this place is sold... heartbreakers bought it.. are all the same people going to be there when it is sold.... are they hiring new help....
when is the last day for this place.. please do something these dancers during the day do nothing, they stand on stage and bullshit all day long...we go to a go-go bar for a reason. if we wanted that we can go home and watch our wifes
so when are the new owner's comming in.. when is this place going to change for the better.... looking to dance there ... but not with some of those girls that you have working there.. the bartenders are better looking then the dancers....
I was there for wet-tee shirt contest too the only big tits I saw was the bartenders ans she wasn't even in it
I was at the last wet t shirt constest. The only boobs I saw were a girl in the crowd who flashed for a t shirt. None of the dancers did. Waste of time. Also no drink specials.
you will be in the wet t-shirt contest.. the dancers you have there now...
Emeralds is hosting another WET T SHIRT contest, last month it was standing room only, $400 in cash and prizes.
they have a mix of black, white, latina, and russian girls here. Very few are high quality. Hopefully you're not shy.
Hey, what's it like working here? I'm an american girl...are there mostly foreigners here? How's the crowd (respectful?), is it busy....? Details please!
Come and see djrizz every monday night playing 70's 80's 90's and today hits and a lot of girls check it out ...people
Dancing Lady magazine is having there annual party at Emeralds, there will be wet Tee shirt competition for cash prizes, anyone interested in participating, please call Mike.
this place sucks, the prices are rediculis for the service and the talent here. and who is that dingy bartenter........ at night always screwed up my change and others from what I saw, I tried it for 3 months off an on and the same shit. oh well.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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did Valerie from Showoffs ever dance here, or did she quit. I heard she was married
I herd this place got some new girls during the day .. no more sponge bob, and no more Old Valentina, , thank you.... for getting rid of old meat....
There was a DJ on Monday night that spun the old school classics. I havent heard some of the stuff he was playing in years. The DJ was off the hook. If you like Classic Disco I suggest stopping by on Monday nights.
That sounds like an infomercial and its probaby from one of the broads that work there. I've read all your past posts but the place still seems the same.
10+ girls everynight now, they are changing this place finally for the better, nice work guys!! was there friday night, had to be maybe 15 girls, maybe 10 new faces.
Thanks, can't wait to see them both. What car lot Doug is working at..............
the DJ is Coz, and he is a show offs, the blonde is Linda ands she is at tits in bloomfield...as for Doug he is in to car selling...anything else we can help you with............
What ever happen to that black dj back in 2000. he had birthday party there and the fire the local department wouldn't let me in because it was so crowded, never saw that place like that again. i think when the short blonde bartenter and doug was the owner. that place was off the hook............back then. anybody knows were they are now. all of them???????????????????????????
Glad I found this web site, I miss the old bar period I appreciate the place is cleaned up and all but all these go go bars do the fix up and ask too much for a beer what ever happened to the 3 dollar beer ? As far as Im concerned there are way too many UGLY girls that are dancing how do these bars allow it ? your scaring the customers away I have met a couple young latinas here that were as sweet as pie. watch out for the one way russians the place in general is a hit and miss how about a half price lap dance day ? TIPPING AFTER THE DANCE IS A BUNCH OF CRAP these girls should be happy your giving them 10 dollars
I think what everyone is saying is that we remember how this place used to be and compare it to how it is now. Before there used to be a few very good looking girls and you didn't mind going there and throwing away a few dollars. Now you go there and all there is are woman who should not be dancing getting mad at you because you don't want to give them a dollar. If they would get some younger, hotter woman, and get rid of the grandma's, all these negative posts would go away.
who's Debbie? Is that the chubby one. She's a good barmaid.
Hey Rudy if you don't like what you see then please don't come back .. do us a favor... Men they all suck
Stopped by yesterday afternoon and the place was dead empty. No wonder, only one dancer with hugh pot belly dancing, if she were younger I'd say she was pregnant, but not possible with her. Barmaid ripped me off a buck on the change, and 2 locals came in to buy water and a lap dance from the pig. Ugh never again man, never again
you`ll never believe this, walked in and saw the bartender Debbie dancing tonight, does Mike know people are laughing at him, he cant be that stupid?
this must be part of Bushs' social security plan, instead of retiring, granny works at Emeralds
Stopped in last week during the day and all I can say is Uggghh. Recent posts are right on the mark. Anyone know of an afternoon place where the talent is actually talented and at least a 6 on the scale?
this place was ok a while back, now the girls are simply slobs.
if you don't like the place why do you go.. oh, you do go don't you ..please get a life.. I am sure you have so much better at home....
the emptiness in that place speaks for itself
The RIDDICK heard that his favorite dancer Goldie is leaving Emeralds.. Too bad.. They are leading the wrong people go.. :(
we got a new bartender she is hot come in and see her tuesday-night and Friday-nights... her name is Dana.... and we got some new girls...
Second time in a row I've been to this club and there was no one there. How long can they go on with that idiot bartender and these ugly dancers?
why is Debbie still there????? she fucking up your business and you just keep letting it go on. As long as she is there, you have lost me as a customer.
I went there last thurs in afternoon. worse than ever.
was there yesterday -same dogs as a month ago-only a month older
I went in last week. I think it was on a Thurs. I didn't stay because the talent was...well...not very talented. Girls were not very pretty, and had the same non-energy as I have come to expect here. I have however come to expect extra hot laps. I didn't see anyone here I wanted anything extra from. Actually most kind of made my skin crawl. Sorry but I have to call them like I see them. I will try again in a few weeks and report
Was at Emeralds Thursday night around 8. There were several girls dancing, none higher than a 4. The quality of the talent needs to be upgraded or this place will lose all its customers. You used to be able to go in there and catch a few really hot girls, where have they all gone? If there truly is new management, they better work quick to turn this place around.
Red's was just raided at 11pm EST 2/03.. A victory for Emeralds, but not so fast... Two dancers were arrested, and the cops stormed this place like it was something out of a movie.. The cops also busted open the basement doors and sweeped the club... Your guess is as good as mine what they were looking for.. but they did say we got two of them.. Overall it was a very disturbing experience for some of the dancers and barmaids. This is what the RIDDICK heard.. Beware!! Emeralds is probably next according to the private dicks of the lovely city of Belleville.....
listen guys come in on tuesday afternoons or thursday afternoons, then tell me the3 place was no good, there are all cute dancers on those days try it out?
Sometimes, the TRUTH, hurts.....you have to go to a go-go bar to pay for sex, how pathetic!! Save your breath for your blow up date that I bought you for christmas.
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Two weeks ago I said this place was a waste of time and was told to be patient. Miracles don't happen overnight. Two weeks later it's mostly the same ugly girls and a couple of new ugly girls.
Yea same people there, same dumb bartender at night, guys whats up with this place do something before you are the only one in there, get new help at night, dude that bartender has to go :(
Sometimes, the TRUTH, hurts.. Same ole Emeralds, however there is a new slew of Black chicks working there if you like dark meat then you dig these chicks, like Vanessa, or Egypt..Vanessa looks like Robin Givens when she was HOT.. But overall this place needs new girls, and it's the same management because the managers/owner are still there kissing the same old dancers, and sitting on the end of bar, and bull sh#tting with the same ole people.. Time marches on, and nothing changes.. oh yeah, plus Debbie is still there.. :(
went last week. same girls is right, but now it's even worse--they watch the ld area like hawks.
when did new mgmt take over? if what they say is true maybe we'll get lucky
BE PATIENT !! 5 new girls Saturday night, alot more to come, but please be patient, miracles dont occur overnight.
stopped in on fri nite. Same girls, same bartender, waste of time it was all bs.
A friend of mine is gonna start working there tomorrow, (Friday). She is Gorgeous, (Roxanne) she said that they are changing everything and they are hiring new girls. I know I will be there tomorrow to see her. I hope the drinks are not too expensive.
Lucy lplease she is to old to be there... the only thing she is good for is ????outside appointments
You should keep Lucy in the daytime - She's great.
watch for changes at Emeralds, remodeling, new girls, new bartenders etc....please come back and check it out!!
was there yesterday during the day the girls were good, , when were you guys there.. the day is good....
Even the Red Shingle has better looking dancers than this place and the dancers at the Shingle are really ugly.
place has great potential- one word to describe girls-uuuuugly-they look like they live on radon!
this place makes my eyes hurt. its like the old folks home. the bartender is nice. the dancers, if you want to call them that(actually they just stand around unless they're parading for tips for what i dont know), they are brutal. it creeps me out just thinking about it!
Sometimes the TRUTH hurts.. But if I ever go back there, I'll take your advice..about the booth dances..
The party starts during the day 12 till closing... and we are open on New Years Eve.... 25 girls and more .... come and check us out,
So what can you do with those nailzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz? I want to come check you out, have a dance. Are you there Thursday? What's happening at the party? How many dancers?
big party on Thrusday come check it out
I am working every fri and sat also weds.. check me out!! **
For All the complains about Emeralds' having Gram-ma looking dancers... on that note...Well yeah... Some of them need to just quit and be Gram-mas!!! But hasn't anybody seen me ther??? I mean I am far from ugly...Ya' Heard!!! I'm the only dancer there who actually dances!!! Come and check me out ...I'm ther on Friday and Saturday nights (except for Christmas weekend), And the we'll see if your opinions change... And when it comes to Debbie??? I don't know what to say about that. Talk to me fellas...or see you at the club!!!!!!
Debbie needs to go the dancers need to go, but they did get some new ones in during the day, on Tuesdays and thrusday... not bad, alot younger, on Friday days there is a few too... her name is Dania I think she works there with her sister very pretty girls, the drinks on the other hand can be as big as you want them to be.. just ask the bartender to give you a bigger glass... and for rob yes he is still there at night.......
First of all marylin does not work here anymore, her boyfriend is nuts thats why she is not here, as for Debbie she is only there Friday and Saturday nights.. so don't come those nights if you donn't want to get skimmed.. the boths are fine had lap dances there during the day and just let me tell you they are fine did you ever get Lucy, she is fine .. try her out let me know what you think............
went to go see Marilyn.. she wasn't there.. checked out the girls dancing and all i can say is they need to get some new girls here.. .. while a few others look pretty hot.. GRADING.. Atmosphere (1 being the least, and 10 being the best) I would say this is a 6.. Some of the girls are friendly while others are just so stuck up.. Lap dances (3).. Don't dig the boths, and the consist peck a boo the fat bouncer does while he is playing pool.. Bar maids (7) all pretty nice, with the except of the skimmer Debbie.. Music is actually pretty good, I'll be generous and give it a 8.. That's my review.. See you at the new club boys..
How is Marilyn? Is she still dancing there? She's the hot Puerto Rican girl that dances there with long curly hair, and a banging body.. :)
you guys need some new girls in there. This place is to old, the bartenders are better then the dancers... I rather hang with the bartenders.. get some young girls in there please?
I hope Debbie isn't skimming anymore...
who is the lady in the back that sits and watches the bar? I thought we were in a go go bar. That lady wears more clothing than eskimos doe in Alaska. Whats she hiding? A few spare tires? Let it ride...you are no different than any other dancer there! Kudos to the daytime bartender, that girl is stacked.
whats going on with this place nasty girls if wanted a lap dance by my grandmother... dude whats up need new girls
What the heck is up with that bartender from the 80's. It felt like I was at a circus and watching the main event. Does she own that place? If not, why is she there? Other bartenders are nice though...Hey manager, get rid of the retro bartender!
Hey guys was there Saturday-night, there was some wack job on the stage dancing around asking for money, she looked like a bug. anyway come to find out she was the bartender for the night talk about free drinks, did not know what she was donig, anyway i had a lap dance with some russian girl was worth the money 20 for a lap dance. just don't like were they are at to small and everyone can see in....
Hey that young dj is the best i ever heard around new jersey , why is that old lasy want to be a dj still there he is played out , get with the program , but the young one back on
I agree the DJ is really good there, I would keep him if I were you?and for the bartender she is ok, anything is better then having a drunk behind the bar, she can't count either, never gives back the right change get her out o there PLEASE?
emeralds is stupid for bringing back their old dj. last week i was there and heard he was gone, the new guy in there played a great mix of music instead of just dance and rap. also, that new bartender jordan is gorgeous, she is the only reason you can bare to deal with the crap music that is played there.
What the hell does that mean? Who's Dixie?
"Away, away, away down South in Dixie." It sure feels great to be in Dixie.
what do you mean blown away
I was in the bar last Tuesday and I was blown away by that red/blonde barmaid. Can anyone tell me what other nights she works?
I'm thinking of checking out the club and possibly auditioning. Can any dancer tell me if you have to split the lap dance $$$ with the house? Thanks.
What's the deal with the new bartender Jordan, she looks adorable.
Don't forget lucille's the bartender big brithday feast.. next friday the 15th all day long with 20 of her best girls... free food all day, and champian and shots of black haus all day.... don't miss [plenty to see]
hey had a great time on Sunday. not bad free food and girls and FOOTBALL
was there during the day. had a good time the bartender was really funny and sweet, the dancers were ok. rather have the bartender....
yeah Debbie WHY? Is that a problem
Debbie yeah right NEVER
don't forget to come to Debbie's B-day bash on Sat-night, drink specials all night... and Debbie's best girls around.. 7 till closing.. pop a balloon for a free lap dance. all the food and drinks you want.......
Hey can someone tell me what this club is like. Can a girl make over $500 a night here? I heard some girls from my club works here. How much are the lapdances here and how much do the dancers keep?
I wish people would get a life and stop reading this site everyday. There are better things in life than talking about go go bars 24 hrs a day.
the girls in the dancing lady are there during the day... thats when I seen them . Had a lap dance with the black one was great , well worth the money, ...
Who are the girls in the Sept. Dancin Lady ad? I will come in and see them. Please let me know!
Birthday Bash for the DJ this Saturday night at 8pm, should be 15+ girls!!
can one tell me how are the days there..
Stoped by for a few beers tonight, there was a good amount of girls there and they were all pretty hot. Great service from both barmaid and dancers!
what night was that make sure I am not there
Emeralds has been super busy for the past 2 weeks, the new bartender is great!!! Open throughout the Labor Day weekend noon-2am.
was there friday-night, the place was packed, the girls were good and so was the music, had a great time thanks for the new bartender got a drink as soon as I walked in.. keep up the good work.
who cares were you work..were are the dancers
Hi Paula, have not seen you around where are u working at know , i know you for a while you know who i'm am i always wanted to ask you out but did'nt have the guts to ask u when i saw u . i thougt u where with someone and i am with some i dont care for if u are single let me know , please i would like to take u out . dont think im so crasy customer because i'm not .you know who i am
Who ever wrote that about me (Paula) tell me who you are, remember I quit.
Paula, please at least we can get a drink without having to wait because she is to busy dancing, , job well done now if we can just get rid of the other one we would all be fine, , I like the new bartender works on Monday and Tuesday night very friendy, and good service
Get Paula Back, we miss her
Yes showoff's valerie. was told she was working here. been here...never seen her. where"s valerie???
Hey me, recommend anyone?
Anyone know if a Natalie, black hair, exotic-looking, great bod, dances here, and if so, when? She used to dance @ Tittilations until recently. Thx.
Yeh, Wher the heck is Valerie, the best, the one from Showoff's, right?
But where is Valerie??? We want VALERIE!!!
I went to Centerfolds come visit Tues, Fri, Sat nights. I miss everyone! (well almost everyone) Jessica, Bianca, Naomi I miss you much! Jimmy, Danny have a Black on me Kisses
The lapdances here are way nasty. I dont know what the law is, but I wont tell if they dont. I think if ther side of the booth were not smoked glass you could get a quickie. Or maybe i just did not get as much for my $20 as some people do!
would that be Mocha that gave you a woody
yes this place gives me a woody there are a few cuties here i fell in love for this black. pitch black jamican girl. boy was she cute! a fun place overall....
I guess you were there on a bad day ........... the girls during the day are good
I guess fired dancers have nothing to do with their time nowadays.
Who are some of the better dancers during the day shift???
Got a dance from Andrea, the barmaid at the end of her shift. Tits are phony but the puss is real and tastes sooooooo sweet.
Melissa is the most awesomest ever , one helluva sweety , so you'll better get yer asses over there to see her !!!!!!
The dances arent very private, but u can still enjoy them ; )
Are the lap dances private???
Today June 4th party all day at Emerald's from 12 till 6pm... 25 hot girls, drink and shot specials.. so come and hang out were the sun don't shine in but the girls do....
Going away party for Melissa on Friday June 11th 8pm, we are going to miss ya Mel !!
Melissa's not going to be around much longer so get in there to see her. She's worth it. Very hot.
Go to Emeralds and visit Bianca (on the cover in dancing lady) shes there wed, fri, sat night.. and Melissa; wed, thur, fri, sat night..both very very hottt.. Great lap dances too
that would be Bianca, shes there Tues/Thurs/Fri/Sat.
Who is the girl in the dancinlady mag.? when does she work?
was there yesterday during the day, let me tell you the day is worth it... $20 a lap dance not bad and back for a while it you catch my drift.........
Valerie is her Tuesday.Thrusday, Fridays daytime only
Any body know of a Valerie that dances here?, , , , tall Brazilian, great legs?
This place has a ton ov tv's to watch all games. This is the place to be especially on Sundays during Fball season. Great lap dances day and night. Music ranges from club - house - techno - rock
can someone tell me how the days are there..work near by was wondering
Big party today and tonight.....20girls plus drink specials.........stop in any time
leave lola alone, she is there to make money
yes Lola, she`ll french just about anyone.
was there the other night was ok, the bartender was the best thing there.........
Comment below........who are you talking about Lola, and does she give everyone the tongue.
just will just rob you blind, I always see her sliding all the customers the tongue, hopefully no one catches anything.
I don't know about during the day, but for a good lap dance at night check out Irene. Very pretty and an awsome lap dance too.
just wondering how are the lap dances during the day
go during the day.... alot of fun
What bartenders and what days????
forget about the dancers get the bartenders they got back and front alot of front ........
What does this Lola look like and what does she do for the $$$$
lola has a serious addiction problem! that is why she dosen't hesitate to hit you up for money!
Checked this place out for the first time last night..... Was surprised the number of girls there, several 6-9's. Red Shingle being the camparison this place is great. No cover, attentive bartenders and decent girls. Watch out for the russians though. This girl named Lola, I think was her name is a real snake. Got a LD from her, she's not bad, with an excellent body in my humble opinion. After dance, she asks for tip, I give her a 5, she asks for ten, so being the sucker I am I throw her another 5. Bitch then asks for 20. Word of advice, just stay away from the Russians, they look out for one another too and will be hitting you up for dollar bills every 5 minutes. Back to the DR for me....
How was it tonight, crowded?
Big party there tonight 20 girls plus some don't miss or miss out....
Was there Saturday night. The blonde bartender was hot awesome rack n bootyful arse. The dancers Laura and Bianca were showing off their mad pole skillz. Well worth to get more then one lapdance from Bianca shes a sweetie.
the blonde is not there anymore
Blonde is a bartender
Was the blonde a dancer or the bartender?
was there yesterday during the day was jam-packed, , there were alot of girls there maybe it is changing for the better...had a really good time
Love the blonde, anybody know her name? cute girl!
Went back in here the other night. Different girls, same action. See my post a few weeks back. If you aren't too choosy, definitely after hours action available. Hell, during hours action is available. They have these booths with smoked glass by the pool tables. I guess you can see in, but they don't seem to care! definitely worth the $20. I will only go so far with a bar girl, but it must be you who says when to stop.
to curious = either rookie or LE, DATY = Dining at the Y
what does daty mean?
what are the ld like.
was there today there were alot of new girls
always looking for new go-go dancers, please call 973-751-9547
what were you smoking last -night what DJ, , were are the new girls can you show me
was in there last night and it looks like they cleaned up the girls, maybe 6-8 new ones, I love fresh meat!! The DJ is playing alot more mixture of music, just not hip-hop like he use to.
DATY??? They have to be pretty good looking in order for me to get close to any of them....nasty or not.
I work near by, was wondering how the day is if there is lunch, and how are the girls
Went in here last night. Not really ugly girls just not young, thin or pretty enough to take their clothes off in public. What the girls lacked in looks, they made up for in nasty. The lapdance booths have smoked glass sides so you can be seen from outside and the pool tables are right there. When I got mine there was noone playing pool though and the mileage was so high that, well, I had to tell her I wasn't interested in DATY. I am quite sure there was after hours action available from more than one. I don't remember names, and I wouldn't say anyway. Will say 2 PR, 1 black. It was slow though so maybe that is why. It is a kind of dirty place too. Bartenders were good.