Gold Club Comments

The Gold Club in Manhattan is closed down. You should check out other Manhattan Clubs like Headquarters and Hot Lap Dance.

The web site says that's happening on "Tuesday, April 20" -- which would have been in 2004.

i think its open, their website said that Gina Lynn is appearing tonight..but its a private party

Geeeez I was kidding. OF COURSE this club is closed.

Drove by on Friday night at 1 am, was closed. Anyone know the story?

Okay i don't know how rath was at this club recently when there is no number. if there is not a working number , all would assume that the club is closed.

is this place still open?

I heard from a cabbie this club was the hottest one in New York now. How many dancers work there? What's the fee? Do they do any promotions?

To "to each his own" -- Billing at this point could not be more discreet.

Does anybody have a new number for this place or address?

I have two clients that I will be ass-kissing for the next month or however long it takes. They LOVE african american chicks. Are there any CLASSY black chicks here that they can "fall in love" with? Their words, not mine. I would like to make them happy and bill to "T&E". By the way, how discreet is billing anyway?

Had a great time here last night. This is now the best club in New York. The girls are all gorgeous, and the mileage is off the scale. Bravo!

Can anyone tell me where's the best place in NYC to buy stripper's outfits (and how to get there)?

So is this club gonna reopen?

the owners have closed to finally do all the renovations we have planning for the last 5 months. The club is scheduled to reopen in july. the club appearance will be astounding and so will the grand opening. will be bringing in girls from Vegas, Texas, and Florida. will keep everyone posted

Is this place still open? I just moved to the city and was planning on auditioning here but is it true that they closed?

This club has many failings, but a lack of hot Asians isn't one of them.

What days does Diamond work? What do you mean 'looker'? I didn't see any other hot asians when I was there.

Yeh, I've met Diamond -- she's a looker. I also wanted to meet another asian lady there who looks a bit like Diamond (long brown hair) but I think she's pure asian. Would you know who I'm talking about?

dave, I think you're speaking of Diamond. She's absolutely stunning. great personality. I don't know what days she works at gold club. someone fill me in on that. tahanks

Hi Mark, rath, elusive maya - Re: Midori - I think you're being a bit rough on her. That we wouldn't do it her way doesn't mean that she doesn't have a valid niche - and from what I read not at all so unusual. In fact, pretty basic to the concept of the "upscale clubs." Appreciate simply that she posts from her viewpoint. I had to laugh at one line, sound like an oxymoron (out of context of course) - "real relationship with strippers" - ahh, its either real or it ain't, n'est pas?

I was here a few weeks ago on a saturday. There was the most beautiful girl I've ever seen in my life. She looks eurasian (european and asian). She wears dark makeup. Anyone knows her name? I will be flying into the city in a few weeks and it'll be fantastic if I can make acquaintance with her this time.

That's wierd. I was there Thursday and everything seemed normal (which includies a lack of customers, of course).

Did this place close? Was there Friday evening around 8:30 pm but security gate was down and padlocked. No one answered the phone.

Who is the bartender on Saturdays? She is better then the dancers. What nights does she work?

I only visiting this club once, but in my opinion it was totally lame.

I was there on Saturday. In my opinion the place needs more girls and customers. There seemed to be a fair number of customers but I noticed that even though there were only a few girls working some of them were just sitting around. I think the place has potential but as of right now I don't think there is good money to be made.

everytime i look at this board i see these philisophical conversations that scroll down for pages and pages. which is alright, but they seem to overshadow the basic necessity of the message boards, which is for dancers (like myself) to find out how good the club is. please, can someone provide information on the club itself? customers? atmosphere? how are the dancers? is there money to be made here? i'd appreciate it. thanks

Well said Maya! Obviously, there is some sort of inherent tension between reality and all that "Fantasy" that is being sold. I presume that Rath is happy enough with "reality" and real relationships not to be interested in most of what is being "sold" in these clubs. I KNOW that I can't be bothered with this phony " let's dress up & pretend " nonsense that Midori & her customers engage in BUT she is there to make money and she's not forcing anyone to pay her. So, ultimately the burden of "growing up" is on her customers.

Oh geez. Not this again. I think we need some sort of vortex that sucks whoever opens up this can of worms and immediately redirects them to the "so, can I get your number" thread on that "other" board. Midori, I really think that instead of defending what you do and how you view your job, and feeling like Mark and Rath are trying to push their own agenda here, you should take a minute and really think about what they're saying. There's a whole lot of sense behind it. I don't think you're exactly doing anything wrong. It's just that from everything you've said you seem to be really deluded; and in a lot of ways noone can blame you for it. The industry is just so psychologically warping.

Rath- you may be right.There certainly appears to be a lot of immaturity on the part of the customers.If they seriously think that Midori is acting toward them like a 'kept woman" would and/or if she thinks so- then both sides need to get out more & really experience life.I can't even fathom being willing to pay a woman to "act" like your mistress w/o getting any of the enjoyment.Perhaps it's because you and I have REAL relationships with dancers that this kind of behavior on the part of the men is difficult to understand.On occassion I'm asked how & why I go out with dancers and they with me.My response is: Because we REALLY talk to each other.

With this mis(use) of "kept woman" piled onto all the other stuff, what it comes to sound like is that Midori and her customers sound like children playing grown-up. We're supposed to think they're so intelligent and wealthy and stuff when they're pretending to do the things that the more worldly of us actually do?

Mark said exactly what I was trying to say. Thanks, Mark. (Just so it's absolutely clear what I'm trying to say -- since Midori really *does* seem not to know much about this stuff -- "mutually beneficial relationships" refers to things that happen OUTSIDE the club.)

Midori- the more you post the more I pity these regulars of yours. BUT if I understand you correctly it can be argued that you are capitalizing on opportunities as opposed to just taking advantage of some pathetically lonely guys with very low self image.In other words I don't necessarily blame YOU- you are there to make $ and certainly your time = money.If these guys have been told not to expect anything more & insist on deluding themselves with their own wishful thinking - that is truly Their Problem !!!!!!! Btw- there's a difference between what you're doing and being a "kept woman".It may be that some of these guys don't know that. It's more important that YOU do.

Just so I'm clear about where I'm coming from, I'm not that interested in girls who are high-mileage to everybody in the club, either.

Some of them want more but I am adamant. Some move on to greener pastures (higher mileage girls) but come back to me. I guess they want the fantasy that one day they will get what they want. They know how I am I have know many of them for 2 years. Who knows what goes on in the minds of men? These are powerful men but guess what everyone of them get tired of being powerful even if for 2 hours. And many of them don't want me to take of my clothes for them. I order sushi and we go to the C.R to eat it eat, chat, and drink for 1-2 hours then they leave.

I've had any number of mutually beneficial relationships with any number of strippers. Most of them were girls who were pretty low-mileage in the club. But you're going to have a hard time convincing that any confident successful man, used to getting what he wants, is going to give you any kind of money, on a regular ongoing basis, just to sit around and be nice to him. If what you're saying about your customers is true, then to me they sound like wimps who are afraid to admit, both to themselves and you, what they really want. Because if "friendship" was ALL they really wanted, they wouldn't go for it to some girl who'll take her clothes off for them and wiggle her ass in their face.

Sorry I didn't even know what that term meant until I started working in NYC. This guy was like would you like to be a kept woman. I didn't understand but it sounded like p r o s t i t u t e to me at the time. He then explained to me he liked giving women money and keeping them surrounded by the finer things in life. I said I don't give extras and I will never see him outside of the club he didn't care. He still comes to the club once a week to keep me 'kept'. Alot of the Russians I work with have arrangements like this but on a higher level (think condo's, credit cards, and cars).

I wish you hadn't said that last sentence.

Actually no Mark I do remember holidays even Jewish and Chinese ones. I even remember when some of their countries were liberated. I wouldn't consider myself phony. I'm not being paid to remember all that info about them. Sometimes I'll get my good customers things and they might not even get any dances from me. They may just come to the club for drinks to see me and then leave. Many of them don't enjoy the hustle hustle of NYC stripclubs. Most leave me something substantial for my time (I'm not dancing for anyone else for 1hr) without me even asking. Alot of them like having a 'kept' woman.

Midori- To me, the more you explain the worse it looks.On the one hand you are able to demonstrate some "human concern"or empathy for these guys and that's all to the good.Nothing wrong with it and it speaks well for you as a person EXCEPT, according to you, you are being PAID to do it and ultimately what could be phonier, shallower , or more superficial.You are apparently doing it for no other reason than to ingratiate y-self with them so that they will continue to pay you.I'll bet you get B-day & X-mas gifts from some of them , Right?I'll also bet that you didn't bother to remember a single one of them around X-mas or a single one of THEIR B-days.Right?

As I stated below I already have a real world job and run my own consulting business. I am making it in the real world. I am able to use some skills learned from dancing in my real world job. For one I am not intimidated by men, I am a great public speaker, and I have developed on hell of a sales pitch. Also my self-confidence help me reach all the goals I set. I am a nice person bottom line and my customers see that. They let all their pressures off to me. Most of them have rich b i t c h wives who are self absorbed and don't care about their problems. I know everything about them and am able to relate to them on all levels (how is Seth, did he get into Cornell here I brought an SAT CD for him).

what is this club like? how does it compare to lace and stiletto's? how are the ld's?

Rath--so right. If you can't differentiate between work and the real world, you've got a problem. I think it probably works that way with most professions, though.

But I think it's more important to look at on the stripper side of the equation. Cuz I think (obviously) that onedancer's analysis of what's really going on is absolutely right. But I believe Midori is being honest when she tells us how SHE understands it. So what we have here is some young girl who's convinced herself that there's something so great, so special, about herself that apparently accomplished, successful men just pile money on her WITH NO ULTERIOR MOTIVES. THAT'S the kind of self-inflating deluded attitude that, I keep insisting, makes it hard for strippers to make it in the real world (or even to have real relationships) after they stop stripping. It's too bad.

Okay, so maybe it wasn't the greatest mystery of the century...

No need for mystery- I am "The -Kid" on that other site.Someone else was using "Mark" first or it wasn't long enough;I forget which. Midori- Giving you the benefit of the doubt- more's the pity! As Rath said:-Don't they have any friends they don't have to "buy"?! They appear to have some very serious issues that prevent them from "connecting" with women.To me, it's even worse if they are married or have girlfriends because that means that they can't trust them enough to tell them their secrets! They should take the $ they're spending on you and pay it to a good therapist.Yes, yes- we all know what great "therapists" some dancers can be.

The obvious guess is Miss George.

Midori, something you should keep in mind--these guys do like your company, but just because they have girlfriends or wives doesn't mean they wouldn't be happy to start up a relationship with you. So, just as you are trying to "connect" with them to get another hour in VIP, so are they trying to "connect" with you--in the hopes that maybe you'll like them enough to consider them as something other than a customer. It isn't always the case, of course--but you should keep it in mind.

Maybe. But first: Midori, don't your customers have FRIENDS????? Don't you think that paying someone to be your FRIEND is a little bit sorry? And if the reason your customers are paying you to be their FRIEND is because you're so beautiful (and you take off your clothes for them), then don't you think there's more at work here than you admit? (PS -- To be clear, I only spend a lot of time with strippers I like and have developed a "connection" with. But that's not what I pay them for.)

Aha! Unmasked at last! Think you can guess who I am over there?

I'll give you a hint: it isn't me.

Or is it Mark? (meaningless garble to validate length)

Wait-let me guess-- Rath, do you have an alter ego named The Kid on another board?

I have a connection which each and everyone of my customers. Some tell me their most intimate thoughts and secrets. I am no rip-off artist but just a beautiful women who is very easy to talk to and down to earth. Customers see this and enjoy my company greatly. Many of them see the women behind the stripper and basically want to take care of me.I don't hustle them or beg for money of give some sob story like most girls do.I don't even ask for tips.And let me leave you guys with this thought, many of my customers are married or have girlfriends. They don't want cheap sexual contact with me, they just want to enjoy and evening with a lady. I am so thankful and lucky I don't have customers like you two (Rath and Mark).

No problem. I wrote a lengthy response about why girls post the things they do, but it was rejected due to invalid length, and it wasn't very important anyway. So wish me luck--I'm going to work tonight (Scores East) and it's PASSOVER. Somehow I get the feeling it might be a slower than usual night. What do you think?

The problem we have is that self-interested strippers try to present the guys who are willing to pay mega-bucks for conversation and "hugging" as somehow BETTER than the guys who won't. When I get the feeling that most girls' REAL opinion of those guys is more in line with what you just said, and what Maya said in the Privilege thread.

Onedancer-I too thank you.You obviously "get it".I for one do NOT blame you or any other dancer for doing VIP's in whatever way suits you best.Likewise, if customers want to throw $ at you for "air" in an "intimate setting", that's fine with me.Personally, I think they are being silly. I work too hard for my $ to throw it away like that.Forgive me for being blunt but if a dancer expects me to pay $ hundreds (and I have) there better be some serious mileage involved.My ego doesn't require me to wear a Rolex; drive a Ferrari or pay to sit and talk to a beautiful woman.I believe in getting a reasonable return for my money and I generally go to places where I do.

onedancer: THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I know I come across like some kind of troll who gets his jollies insulting strippers and customers. But if you look, I only go off on this when some stripper criticizes customers for "wanting more" in the VIP room (as if there's something perverted about wanting to pay for physical contact but not about wanting to pay for conversation and company) or (as you know, this is what really gets me) some stripper claims that they only guys who want contact are guys who can't afford to pay for conversation and company (which, aside from not making any sense, is INCREDIBLY insulting). Sorry for all the heat.

To Rath and Mark--just to be clear, I don't think that there's anything wrong with guys who have plenty of money who choose not to spend loads of dough on VIP rooms. (Personally, I wouldn't either, if I were an affluent man.) I'm not looking down on you for it at all. But there really are guys who do, that I don't lie to, that know they're not going to get anything more in the VIP room from me than a slightly better dance than they'd get on the floor and my complete attention for the time they've paid for, and in a more intimate, QUIET environment. To each his (or her) own.

Thank you RATH- nobody says it better.Midori- it's all a matter of choice.Rath and I CAN afford your nonsense but we choose not to.We have better uses for our money.I don't wear a Rolex.I could easily buy one today for cash but choose not to.I wear an Omega- keeps great time, looks great but it costs less.My choice.Yes, I do pity the chumps that pay you just to sit & talk or 'hug"them.I get all the conversation & hugs I want for little or no money.I've LIVED the fantasy; I'm NOT going to pay for it.On rare occasions I'll pay for the REALITY- with a dancer I genuinely like & who genuinely likes me BUT most of the time I don't even have to do that.Usually we just get together w/o $ being a factor.

Midori, you keep coming back to this stupid, misplaced, and just plain inaccurate snobbery. You keep saying this has something to do with ability to pay. It doesn't. Maybe I can afford a $1000 watch. Maybe I have one. Or two. That has nothing to do with whether I think it's pathetic for someone to pay someone to talk to him.* I wouldn't be too happy, if I were you, about your regular's saying that giving money to you is like giving money to a panhandler. _____________________________________________ * PS to that girl on S Web -- I don't think it's fair to say that I'm looking for cheap sex. Actually, I'm quite generous.

To Eric why do you pity them? Some of my customers pay 2K for their watches or as one put it I'm better than his therapist! You men are looking at dancing all wrong. These men are paying for experience a fantasy. And a fantasy doesn't have to be sexual.One customer I had last night just wanted me to hug him.We did a VIP and I just sat in his lap and hugged him for an hour! And he tipped me $300 at the end. I talked to one of my regulars last night about these posts. He said he has pity for the man who can't afford to spend money fullfilling his fantasy. He says spening money on me to him effects him like giving money to panhandlers-you don't think about it and losing that money is of no consequence to you.

Big-Host- after what YOU wrote about MissGeorge? Tut, tut, tsk, tsk. Midori- Sorry but your fellow dancers have come clean about what really goes on in the VIP.Check out S-web-Club Chat. If some clown is going to pay you 2k just to sit & chat- Good for you but I pity him.Sorry again, but Rath makes an excellent point about the impossibility of translating that to success in the "real world". You're going to have to live with the fact that there are customers like Rath who know the business well and are NOT going to throw their money around like confetti w/o getting something in return.

maya i spoke to u on the privilege board. about 5 months ago or so i went to audition there and the housemom was a real b--ch and i didn't even have to wait to know i wouldnt be hired. i was treated a lot better at pec, but for some reason i dont feel like im going to bank at that club

Was in here a week ago briefly and noticed an attractive asian woman (I know there were a few). She looked similar to another asian woman named Diamond, but this was not Diamond. She has similar long brown hair -- about 5-6, 5-7 in heals. Had to leave and didn't get a chance to meet her. Anyone know the who I might be describing? And what evenings she usually works? Thx

the problem with these new upscale joints is that they're totally impersonal. It's no surprise to me that none of the people you asked knew who "Madison" was. One of the reasons I liked working at Privilege so much was that it was a more intimate environment where everyone knew one another. Not just their stage name, but where they were from, what kind of dances they gave, whether or not they drank on the job, if they had kids, etc, etc. It was both a blessing and a curse but i kind of enjoyed it.

Hey I stopped in on Friday with a few friends looking for Madison. Tall, black, beautiful, witty dancer. No one I asked had any info. Does she still work here? If she's moved anyone know where? I'll be in town again in 2 weeks and would love to see her!!!!

Agridoce - Just my opinion, but I think a hot black girl with big boobs would probably do very well at any of the upscale clubs.

The irony of that comment was hilarious.

can anyone please tell me about this club? earning potential? can a pretty black beyonce-looking dancer with big boobs earn $500 a night? how is the crowd? looking for somewhere nice with high earning potential where "my type" would be appreciated?

I'm sure that Rath will confirm for me the hilarious irony of that last comment.

why do you girls waste your time with this jerkoff rath, make your money and donot worry about some jerkoff who posts back and forth on these sites he is a loser, THERE ARE PLENTY OF MEN WHO GO IN ROOMS AND SPEND LOTS OF MONEY ON CLEAN ENTERTAINERS WITHOUT ANY EXPECTATIONS, THEY ARE USUALLY WEALTHY, AND VERY INTELLIGENT. NOW RATH THIS IS COMING FROM SOMEONE WHO WORKS IN THIS BUSINESS NOW FOR 10 YEARS HOW LONG HAVE YOU WORKED IN THE BUSINESS. girls ignore this loser

The clubs ought to have a "husbands' day" on which the husbands and boyfriends of the strippers work instead of the strippers themselves. The customers would be free to laugh at them, insult them, etc. Now that would be fun!!

Lie about what? I think things are pretty straigh forward in the clubs. Dances are twenty dollars plus tip? Pretty standard so not much to lie about. Vip rooms a few hundred dollars and the same thing you get on the floor= with maybe a tad more. More grinding touching ect. the customer knows. So if your a stripper and your lying its just going to make you lose bussiness. The only thing you should lie about is if your asked if you have a boyfriend. If you do have one or a husband just tell the guy your dating-and leave it at that.

I think I think there's a difference between lying a little and building a whole career around it. I also think justifying yourself by saying that stockbrokers do the same thing is not much of a justification. I've seen a lot of seemingly nice people turned into amoral scum by being both stockbrokers and strippers. I've also seen more than a few genuinely nice people crushed by their inability to deal with the dishonesty required in both those professions. It really does make me feel bad. (On the other hand, as a lawyer, I've made lots of money off the problems of the amorally scummy stockbrokers, so I can't complain TOO much.)

I don't see your point.even if we do lie a bit to make the money, whats the big deal?if we sold cars or we were stock brokers, or even if we were sales women in a boutique, we have to lie"oh yes that looks great on you" we would have to lie either way!my point is....everyone lies and if you say you don't-you are lying!

Spending money on your education is even better than saving it. In my opinion funding a college education is one of the only justifiable reasons a girl should start dancing in the first place.

Screw saving. I'm going to school so i can get a real job. I don't work frequently, so it's rarely the same guys that I make my money off of each time. And no, I really don't lie to them. SUre, the bulk of my money is made selling room, but i bust my ass doing dances when I'm not in the rooms and can usually make at least $100/hour doing just that.

My point is that I don't dance anymore. I made great money back when I did (not $1200 a night, but still great by my standards) but no square job is going to pay me a grand per week right off the bat. And the sad part is I haven't even found the stupid square job yet. My advice to all you present day dancers is to save as much as you can while it's still comin' in like it is right now. You'll be really glad you have some savings to fall back on when you're just scraping by on a meager paycheck.

What club do you work at and how many nights a week? You should be able to make at least $1000 a week working in NYC. You should switch clubs. A bunch of good ones just opened up you should try them.

Must be nice. I'll try to remember what it felt like to make my rent in one night while I'm busy busting my butt to make $500 a week.

I'm sorry. If you're making that kind of money off regular customers following you around from club to club, and you're not sucking, you're lying to them one way or another, even if you don't think you are.

Maya- Yes, girls do make $1200 a shift still (and without extras, I might add). Some make it consistently every night, thought those girls are rarer nowadays. Places like Scores and PEC have that earnings potential, as do some other cities, especially whenever their conventions are going on. The last two years, I mostly flew out to other cities to work conventions. Great money, and don't have to put up with the slow nights.

Maya the power of the internet is a good thing. I keep in touch will every one of my customers this way. Whatever club I move to they move with me. Also due to the downturn in the economy having regular customers and changing to the most lucrative clubs is an absolute must. And I don't suck anything.

Does anyone really make $1200 a shift nowadays? (or ever, for that matter?) That was like my best night ever and I came close to that figure maybe only one other time. According to a lot of other girls on the board I must just suck. (Or perhaps literally speaking, NOT suck.)

In my opinion all air dances are rip offs and by extrapolation this goes for all so called "VIP" clubs in New York. The wall street downturn has taught many girls (aka rip off artistes) this. If you are on this easy money bandwagon Midori , ride it hard and fast as this is coming to a sorry end soon.

Thank you Maya. (Meaningless addendum added so that board would accept post even though it's not wordy enough for them.)

I don't take advantage of anyone. I for one am not a rip off artist. Ripoff artists are girls who do two dances and charge for 4. I am one of a few girls at my club to give 4 min dances or song long dances which ever comes first. Some girls give 2 min dances. This is why customers like me I'm not a scammer/con or ripoff artist. S.E means Sales Engineer. People who sell computer software go by that title. The good ones make alot of money due to bonuses and get pecentages of how much the sell. And my quote of $150 an hour equate to $1200 per shift irregardless to if I do VIP or a customer of mine comes in that is what my goal is.

Interesting discussion. Although I'd like to point out that we shouldn't confuse confidence in one's abilities with "an inflated sense of self-worth". They're two completely different things, and yes, stripping can and does usher in the latter. Among other things, the job really warps what we perceive our value to be. It's sad that something so potentially harmful to one's psyche usually goes on during such a formative period in their life.

I actually sort of agree with you that to make real money you have to have an inflated sense of self worth. (Well, at least a solid one.) OTOH, I don't think that justifies taking advantage of people. You act as if people are just pouring money on you in your club with no input from you. I'd suggest that's disingenuous. Anyway, we're obviously never gonna convince each other (although I'll repeat -- uselessly -- that you're just wrong if you think the only guys who don't think your so-called "services" are worth their fee are guys who can't afford it [although the $150/hr in your last post seems a bit lower than the amounts you were discussing before]). In any event, if I can be *completely* ignorant, what's a SE?

Rath I already have a real world job. I work at a software firm in NJ doing QA and I create multimedia websites for dancers for $500 for 3 pages. I don't have an inflated self work I just know that whatever I do in life I will be paid very well for it simple as that. How else do people get raises? How else do business owners know how much to charge for a service? Anyone who is making any REAL money has an inflated self worth. I talk to S.E's all the time and they get RIDICULOUS amounts of money sometimes for just answering the phone. One guy made $40, 000 for just answering the phone. Humm I'm showing my naked breast and ass the a club full of strangers don't you think that should be worth at least $150/hr?

OK: You don't get it. You're just wrong. When you stop stripping and have to live and work in the real world, this inflated sense of self worth and phony ungrounded snobbishness is NOT gonna serve you well. I've seen a lot of nice girls ruined like that by mainstream so-called "upscale" stripping. I feel bad for them.

Bill Clinton I guess you don't read Page Six. These clubs are literally riddled with stars, athlethes, and other rich men. How do you think the good clubs stay open? Hey someone pays the $700/hr and the fact that you guys are even brining up prices says to me you can't afford it. Hey I used to work at Lace in NJ where champagne rooms were $200 no one ever complained or mentioned the price. On these boards all I see are the same fellas discussing prices and what should go on for those prices and how high the prices are OK we get it you don't want to pay that can we move on now?

Thanks to Midori and onedancer. I would just like to say that you're wrong when you say the only guys who object to chargin/paying those amounts for what you girls are selling are guys who can't afford it. I can think of at least one guy (who's typing this post) who doesn't fit into your category. In fact, it's those kinds of statements that make you seem (probably unfairly, in the context of your entire posts) like rip-off artists with inflated senses of self-worth. You can see why, right? So why don't we agree that we'll all respect you if you all respect us?

Thanx for the posts Midori & a...dancer. Yes, I will step back a bit from my last post. I believe these are sincere posts meant to inform. That Hustler, Scores & Gold are all opening "VIP" clubs with similar upscale formats says they believe there are enough guys who will pay the freight. Since we're not here to judge, we shouldn't object so long as there's full disclosure and its not hidden on an expense account. We also should keep things in perspective wrt exceptions and inconsistencies. $600 (400 net/hr?) in VIP & $700 for the nt?

To the sellf hyped up Midori.. Athletes and Wall streeters and real estate developers have numerous models and actresses available they need not go to a gogo bar and beg of a girl to spend tine with them and pay them 2k to boot.

Sorry that took so long and you have to reda it backwards:)

And a lot of these guys genuinely interest me. The born-rich guys are annoying, but the self-made ones usually have a lot of intriguing things to say (and have a lot of respect for me, a dancer who's is trying to earn support herself by dancing in order to work my mway through school). We're special, and they have no more obligation to us than to sign off on the credit card statement. If they want to visit us again at the club, we will welcome them with open arms. If not--who cares?