Club ad? You claim to have had multiple dances from her but didn't bother to get any of this information on your own during that time? I know most dancers entire life story by the time the second dance is over. But thanks for the heads up on the new hottie nonetheless.
OMG Christies strikes again! "New" to dancing 18 yo, can't drink, but does she have a hot hot hot body and a beautiful face. I think she said her name was Ryan" Was wearing a burgundy VS bra and panties. I had her and the other girl on my lap making out. As the night progressed, her lap dances improved 1,000%! Any one know any more about her? When does she usually work?
That sucks. They used to let you in for free if you show them the parking receipt.
Had to pay $10 to park here Friday night around 10pm. Plus another $8 cover charge.
An amazing waterfront club with hottest girls in Cleveland! Without an doubt the best place to have a bachelor party! Full menu open 7 days a week.
My friend, Luke Dixon, received a much better lap dance than I. And for that, Christie's I rescind my 5 stars. And now I think i'll POST this NOISEy movie review on the PODium of internet restaurant reviews and CAST a net to catch some fish for my dinner. Thank you friends, I'll look fondly upon these memories in 30 years.
Just to let everyone know Mp Creations is back open the new address is 2723 schenley rd youngstown, ohio 44509 We have deals going on for the holidays stop in and see us!
Is China a democracy?
Any black dancers worth taking to VIP room?
Met Carley last week. How is she in a VIP room?
Any asian dancers at this club ?
Who's handjobs are better -- Taylor or Valerie? Valerie seems like the type you could take home for the right price.
Thank you for the advice Jason. The Taylor girl is fantastic. She made my night a night I will never forget. I will be back to see her as often as possible. I just wish she would charge less since it's just a quick rub off. Thanks again though, and I do recommend for those of you who haven't let her do her magic to you to give her the opportunity. You will not be disappointed.
This is who I was talking about. Her stage name is Taylor right ?
Yes I have met Valerie. Have you met Taylor?
Taylor Ann sounds great. Check out Vallerie as well. Hard to believe someone could top her handjobs. She does more than any of them and all that experience means she has perfected the experience.
I have to say I enjoy this club. Has anyone met Taylor Ann? She will give you the amount it cost, but absolute amazing Handjobs. She will go further depending on which managers are on duty. Let me know your thoughts on her.
Looks like some vegas reject.
Just to let you know i do not give a shit what you think !
Dave Newman is a fucking jerk! Fucking jerk! I hope you see this you pathetic asshole! You Loser!
0 zero stars if I could. You must keep your hands on the couch. Wtf is that. Bouncer came in and yelled at me for touching her ass. What a joke.
This club really isn't that bad; it's got atmosphere, great service, and affordable dances at all levels. Compared to clubs in bigger cities, this one is a bargain. Without a doubt the best in Cleveland.
Time to let go of these old bags! Shit I have seen same old ass bitches work here since I was 21. I am 30 fuck, get new faces Christie's. Simply the best that's a crock! Fuck I seen old nasty wrinkles on tummies, tits and nasty old lady hoods. I can erase that image out of my head. I wouldn't much rather spend money on a hooker then bitches up here. At least I know I am not gonna get ripped of by parking fee, door fee, drinks and the hope of sitting with a attractive lady. Get new management team while You're at it. I am tired of see Guy from Harry Potter, fucking bald dude. He looks like a cancer patient from old retirement community. Hey Grandpa time for bed
Is it Anna or Valerie? Which is the stage name? I've had a VIP session once with a girl there named Anna. Never seen Valerie.
Anyone know if Anna Somerville/Vallery provides outside the club?
Anyone know anything about a girl with the stage name Nina? Is she a good dancer or anything outside the club?
Any one know If Valerie still works there. And, if so, what nights she normally works.
Is it worth going after the game? Who are some fun girls to hang out with?
Not one really hot girl there last night after the game. Are there not any pretty girls that work there any longer?
Which girls are the most fun in VIP?
What ever happened to Julia? She work somewhere else now?
Hung out here for a while again, got another VIP suite upstairs and I could've sworn there was jizz on one of the couches. It smelled a little funky too. Had to switch to another couch. I still have no idea why they have flat screen TVs up there too.
Anyone know if Jewels still works there?
I'm going to go back to see her. This explains why she could never go out on Friday or Saturday nights. And why she always had money for cloths and a nice apartment downtown. I hope she's not surprised I know and she doesn't give her best effort.
Shouldn't put her real name up there but go for it. Take her upstairs in one of those rooms and spend a shitload of money on her.
Sounds like the blonde girl you're asking about is that Valerie chick. I don't think I've ever actually seen her there.
Who is the skinny blonde with big boobs and a European accent?
Man this place was dead on Thursday night. So many fine looking ladies standin' round with nothing to do.
Has anyone seen Jewels since she came back? Is she any more naughty in VIP?
Place was packed last night. The really hot girls spent all of their time in VIP rooms though. They were making some serious cash up there I'm sure.
I don't think I should say any names here.
Which 2 hot girls did you hang out with?
This place isn't bad on Friday nights. Free admission with paid parking now. Didn't get to see who was dancinguntil the end of the night because I was immediately snatched up by two sexy girls and had a great time with them. Turns out they were the hottest ones there. Was expensive as fuck.
Valerie is the one they call the "blonde bombshell" when onstage. She's thin with huge fake boobs and has some kind of accent. Russian perhaps?
Fuckin A man this place is going to have to step it up a bit in that regard especially with the RNC coming in 2016. It's really bad when the most attractive members of the club's staff are men.
Which one is Valerie and when does she work? I'm not good with names but I'll ask next time I'm there. Didn't see many girls there I'd want to see in or out of the club though.
Has anyone else experienced one of Valerie's handjob in VIP or am I special? Wonder what kind of $$$ it takes to see her outside the club. She hinted at it.
Was that Carly I saw with new tits?
This place has gone down hill !! Ghetto and white trash are now the norm. What are the managers thinking. Nasty Nasty, Nasty !!!
Anyone better here lately? Any of the pretty girls come back? Like Jewels.
We had an excellent time at first at Christie's Cabaret. Me and my fiance went there expecting a nice evening and for 90% of the evening it was excellent until we had to file a police report and it dropped from 5 stars to one. We arrived on a Saturday night. Asked about bottle service. Got a bottle of Belvedere and mixers for $200 plus tip (45) and got sat in an excellent area and was told that even if we did not finish the bottle we would get to take it with us at the end of the night. The entire night beautiful dancers approached us and we had a great time including spending another $150 on seeing my fiance get a dance with one of the club girls which was incredibly sexy. From there everything went downhill. For starters we got told we could not leave with the bottle. Thats strike one but thats life because most clubsdo not offer that option so initially it was quite the perk. But that is not what broke the straw on the camel's back.I am sure if there is a response to this from Christie's it will be along the lines of 'the patron(s) were drunk, acting stupid or the like....' What else could you expect them to say? There is a police report against them so obviously they would love to defame the customer. The fact is my fiance was manhandled by a patron who we were explicitly told 'he spends alot of money here, just let it go....' They would never, ever admit to that and I assure you will try to defame me. My credentials are a lot better than their fat bouncers. Spent 4 years in the army, currently work for the United States government, after getting out of the army I worked providing security for Turkey Point Nuclear Plant in South Florida, and oh... worked in the service industry to boot at Transit Lounge in Miami Florida. Ive worked and experienced every spectrum of society. The fact that Christie's Cabaret allowed my fiance to have her breasts, ass and vagina to be grabbed by a regular because 'he spends alotta money' is beyond disgusting. A police report was filed. What a horrible organization. They held her back for 'overreacting' and let the regular, big spender go on his merry way. What a sexist, horrible company. I've been to gentlemans clubs with my fiance in Miami, Las Vegas, Philadelphia, Atlanta... even New Mexico and never seen such horrible treatment. Christie's Cabaret portrays itself as classy and caring but I have never wanted to throw up so much nor in 4 years of a relationship have I EVER seen my fiance so stunned, so hurt, so incredibly violated and appalled and literally mentally distressed...... hope protecting your high paying customer was worth it Christie's.
I thought Jewels was fired for providing hand jobs. It was a shame Jovonne was a great gal.
What nights does Jewels work. I havent seen her in awhile. I enjoyed her company.
Is this place still a joke? Anyone been there lately?
What happened to Julia who use to always work days? Is she still here or somewhere else?
Place has really gone downhill. All the pretty girls have left. It's a shame; used to be a great club.
Jewels gives a good hander in VIP. Pricey though...
Coming to Ctown Thursday. Who is fun in VIP? Tks Cleveland
Pasties, lol. This place is in turmoil. Things will be back to normal in a few months I'm sure.
WTF is going on with the pasties?
Where Julia and Markie are?
Anyone seen Julia recently? Fake boobs, lots of tats, used to work mornings. Does she work somewhere else now?
Anyone spent time in a room with Jewels?
For Markie, does anyone know where she is at now?
Anyone know when I can find Callie? What days/nights? Last time I saw her was on a Friday afternoon? Can anyone help?
I heard a bunch of girls got fired including Valerie. She got caught providing extras in the rooms. Most likely she's just providing them outside the club now.
Does that Valerie work after Browns games?
Yes, she is the bit tits blonde with the Russian accent. Claims to be an accounting student at CSU I believe. She is filthy.
Is Valerie the blonde with the Russian accent?
Anyone know if the blonde bombshell is working today? I'm in the mood for one of her handjobs.
I know. That place is a total jack shack these days. Gotta love it.
I thought Ohio was no touching? The amount of contact in this club is unreal, and that is on the main floor. Seriously, how does the state not come down on this place hard? I won't even mention what happens in the rooms.
Valerie is the hand job queen. Unreal. Did me and my buddies one after the other. Had to get an upstairs room though.
I have enough of an education that I know all about Abby. How about you sport? Looks like you should brush up on your schooling. Just sayin
Yea, one more question, are you in high school?
Which room are you asking about? In the kitchen? She cant cook. In the bedroom? She snores. In the bathroom? Her dumps stink and she spends hours fixing her makeup. In the living room? She just watches the Ellen DeGeneres show. Anything else that you would like to know?
Is Abby still working there? Cute with nice new tits .How is she in a room?
Any dancers that work there monitor this board? Introduce yourselves and I will come see you!
Is Karra still around? How is she in VIP?
I wanna eat deseries pussy from behind while I smoking a big fat spliff and snorting lines of cocaine off her hot ass
Always entertaining that strippers that are nothing to look at, pretty fugly, have to resort posting fake reviews...yeah sure Desiree...ahah LOL, guys are surely disappointed after they meet you and don't even bother with you!
love wood in her mouth and between her huge tits
Hopefully talking we are talking about the same lady. i have only been there once and it is a common name hope i'm not mixing her up with someone at a different club. but i pretty sure it was there i seen her. kinda tall(especially in her stripper shoes) wears glasses solid built but not fat with a nice ass and big tits? has her mouth pierced up above her upper lip. Appreciate the the info may have to check her out further the next time i'm up there.
anybody know if apachee is any fun itc
Desarae is a lot of fun if you know what I mean
any word on this Brunette dancer there on night"s weekends. Is she any fun up in the mileage xtras(itc or otcz0?
desiree why not come to work for the # 1club in ohio Tiffanys Dolls Cabaret in north lima ohio out side of youngstown. for information call 330-549-9532 04 fax 330-549-9532. or if you are willing to drive to west virginia come check out our club in chester wv fax 440-734-8819 or call 440-777-5626.
Anyone know if Kaylee is still around...nice blonde
What does she look like? Any regular of christies on here?
Been down at the club and no one knows where's she's at. One girl said she dates some big rich cocky guy who drives a Range Rover? Miss my VIP dances from her, the best!!
Is that righti Desiree? Just got paid....lol get at me
DOES NATALIA still work at christies? She's a blond with big natural tits, great girl, lots of fun in VIP room, , has anyone seen her lately? Know when she's working? Has anyone had extras from her? Is she clean to fuck?
the canton christies has $10 couch dances.
dat yo mama and sista like every cock, that's how you came along fool!
Any girls here a fan of the Big Black Cock? Name names please!
Met a hottie, Abby , last week. Is she worth doing a roon with ?
took her home and got an amazing blowjob and a f**k. she loves the makeup i gave her
Anyone spend some time with Carlyee...tiny but hot..Newer Christies
stopped in here last night for the first time in about 8 months....wow. No couches...pasties....only about 15 girls...only 2 attractive ones...over charged for parking? Such a shame.
Club has been getting strict, thats why a lot of these girls have been taking it outside the club. I know joclyn does...
Any Asians working this club? Which entertainer's are worth the $$$$$$?
this club is too uptight. no more contact and nudity allowed.
Very Classy! Huge Venue. Would have to go back during serving hours to check out the alcohol sales. Full Service bar. Not fully nude. No alcohol after 2:30am. Lots of people. Just hang out to your belongings. Grand entrance. Hard to top Diamonds Cabaret in Dayton, Ohio with their lighting and sound system, BYOB drink til 5:30am, and fully nude. Christie's def was the potential to outshine and crush the local Cleveland Competitors. Every type of girls here but they need to have the cream of the corp. With a great venue like this they need to bring the show to life with the girls and really make it top notch. Theme parties and big shows such as you see in the movies.
To Mckensie: Hope to see you soon. What nights do you work
i recently had a room with jocelyn...she said she used to dance, quit and came back. we had a great time in the vip. anyone else agree.
best 10 dollar blowjob in cleveland, cheers!
Yeah I know I'm the best!! Lol
There is a man cave with pool tables up on the second floor. Not sure if you are allowed to go up there but I was up there with no hassle from the bouncer/waitress.
yes I still work there!!!
I have been working in a lot of club (Saphire Vegas, Spearmintrhino CA, England UK, ATL GA, ...) but Christies CLE really is 1 of the BEST!!! I ll be back soon and hope they will hired me again!!! I still have my locker there!lol /// Hope my girls are still there... I cant wait to go back!!! MuuuuuaH!!!
lots of money is being spent here just on the main floor alone with the $10-20 table dances. who knows how much is being spent in the upstairs VIP. Unfortunately the dancer quality is nothing like it used to be.
i dont know about that but if you go there they will be happy to take all your money.
I came. I saw. I ate chicken tenders at 2 am and they were delicious.First time in a strip club and while I'm probably not Christie's target market, this was an okay place to come. I had neither the desire or the bravery to say "yes" to a lap dance but I will say, I am IMPRESSED by these women and the way they can contort their bodies up and down a pole. Talk about incentive to work out.
heard this club has all the money is that true?
check out their website for free printable admission pass in August
Having been to gentlemen's clubs hundreds of times from Vegas to New York to LA, I must say that I have never been to a club that does it as right as Christie's. From the staff to the beautiful women (even the food!) this place rocks!
check christies facebook page because sometimes they run free admission promotions if you say a certain word at the door and mention you saw it on facebook
I have only been here 3 times but no asians. I have seen several black dancers and on one night about 50% were black.
Any asian's at this club? How is the variety ?? Thanks
Does Alicia still work there? If so what nights?
Anyone know if she still works there and if not where she does work?
the lap dances are suppose to be $20/song but just about every dancer will do it for $20 if you hesitant
Very large and nice upscale gentlemen's club. They have a guard booth near the parking lot entrance and they charge $5 for parking on the weekends. Cover charge during the day is $5 and during night is $8. You can get in for free if you show your ticket stub from a concert or event of that same day.They have a food menu of mostly pub food. I tried the Cheeseburger ($7) that came with fries. Also I tried the grilled chicken salad another day ($8). Food was not bad but of course the drink prices are high. $4.75 for a bottle of water and $4.25 for a diet coke. For your food/bar tab you can pay with credit card but it requires your signature on three different forms and a fingerprint. For the lap dances you can buy "christies cash" and it has a 15% fee or you could use the $12 fee at the ATM.The lap dances are $20/song on the main floor and mostly done on couches lining the outside of the floor or at your chair. The second floor VIP rooms, which are $170 for 15 minutes ($100 to the dancer, $50 to the club, and $20 for the 2 drink upstairs VIP minimum).. They have cameras in the VIP rooms and the floor dances are monitored by bouncers walking around. The lap dances are topless but the dancers go fully nude on stage but the lighting inside is very dim. After midnight though, they stop going full nude on stage due to some strange law/rule. The place has an attendant in the men's restrooms. After washing your hands, you can choose to use the air dryers for free or tip the attendant a $1 and he will hand you a paper towel.
well it wasnt the only club on that news special. i think the only club that wasnt covered that night was crazy horse
Nice seeing this club on the news. makes me feel great walking through there doors. who knows what hidden cameras will show up this time.
ol ben didn't just post his spam here. he posted at almost every club in cleveland, akron, lorain county, and maybe most clubs in ohio. he probably works for vanity and he won't see your comments here now. if you want to prove your points go to the vanity club link here and post your comments or some payback spam there.
seeing this spam from vanity makes me never want to go there again. I think kahoots or maybe even doll house is a much better choice for columbus.
Ben you must be an ass to post your club on another clubs site.. You sir are a parasite who lives off other viginas!!!!!Dumdass
Oh you mean FAT ASS KIMMY? Keeps getting bigger, bigger and bigger every time she works-her goal is to get even more bigger-like them fish frys huh Kimmy???
Does any one know if Kimmy still works here? blond, tats, GREAT ass
I was at Christie's about a month ago and really enjoyed spending time with Lori. She has spectacular tits and an average face, but is sweet as pie. Looks to be about 30. A Dirty Blonde. Does anyone know what nights she works?
Does BJ still dance there?
there is a very hot asian at platinum on brookpark
Does McKennsie still work there? Met her last year, Coming into town this week and looking for the best club. Any suggestions?
Cali is by far the hottest girl there...tall blonde natural big boobs nice fat ass and not a bitch like some of those girls...check her out she is awesome alot of fun...
Does Hannah still dance here she was great
Can anyone tell me if there are any asian women working this club or any other ?? Thank you !!
Visited last night for the first time. Got a private dance with Desiree. She was great' only wish the dance was more private. There were some other good looking girls there too. Ill be going back in the near future.
I heard dancers will do $10 topless only dances here instead of the $20 nude dances but this was from years ago and was wondering if they still do it? Also I heard christie's has a lot of free admission passes but was wondering where I can get one myself? any charges for parking here?
Anyone ever done a private room with Monet? She's a hottie!
I haven't been in for awhile either. Would also like to know if BJ is still working?
Been a couple of years, but I used to go to Christie's to see a black girl called BJ. Does anyone know if she still works there? What nights does she dance?
what do you mean how is she is a roomk?
strip clubs to me are a joke anyway its just to help blow off lil steam ill never have sex with stripper inless i used a condom
to me any guy spending 4 thousand at a stripclub any stripclub i dont care how rich you are thats only for loosers i would never spend 4 thousand at a strip club no more than 400 no less than a hundred
no personal offence but dont you think your over exaggerating 3 or 4 thousand i know this one guy who said he went in there stayed about 2 hours had lil under a thousand and spent about 450
Is this the Jocylyn from years ago? How is she in VIP?
you will need to bring at least 3 or 4 thousand if you want to be able to walk out with a couple dollars in your pocket.. lol
how much money should i have on me when i go in here so that i have money left when i leave would having over 500 be enough?
Taylor and Mandy really are gorgeous and quite seductive. Keep missing you gals. Wish the bASStard would have chosen a better adjective when referring to your alluring charms that exude yummm. xo ladies
i was told that i had to wear certain kinds of cloths to get in can i wear my every day casual cloths and is this club fully nude and will any of the women do any weird kinky stuff in private rooms?
has blonde hair (like most of them)...has a Prince sign piece of jewelery she wears around her waist kind of, a little older...
Does Deja still work there? Did she ever lose the weight she put on?
what does madison look like? is she covered in tatts
find madison does she still work there?
Taylor and mandi are the two hottest bitches in the whole club...and they sisters!!!!!!!!!
Met a sweet liitle thing named Rene...how is she is a roomk?
When will Nikki Benz be feature dancing @ this club?
I have been a customer here a few times. Club is beautiful and clean. Girls on a weekend night are top notch very Vegas-like to me. Money you will need alot of it. $20 lap dances aren't bad but when there are 50+ girls in rotation stalking you like prey it get expensive. The one thing I fare warn you about is there private room. They are extra nice to say the least but you will be paying big for them. You can definately get alot for your money there since the girls are very "hands on" So $300per. I type that and it sounds like alot but drinks are pricey too.
I just wanted to see if anyone can give me a run down of the price structure at this place. I am planning a Bachelor party for a friend and I need to advise the out-of-towners of how much cash to have on hand.
Is Bobbie working here? She danced at the den in the nineties. Long legs and nice large fake tits. Said she was from Puerto Rico. Just watching er moved got me going!
RIP RACHEL .i know that your pain is gone now , now you can rest and b at peace , I wish i could have been there for you and helped you some how , God bless you and your family ,
When the old Hustler closed it's doors all the beasties that worked there came scurrying over here like rats. Looking forward to Hustler re-opening so they will scurry back and Christie's will be back to the way it's always been- only the best! Thanks for sharing though- Republicans never spend any money anyways. They just spend their time telling everyone else what to do without having anything worthwhile to contribute. Now go back to your sandbox until you can think of something original to say.
Nothing but overweight single mothers and democrats in this place. Should have spent less money on the building and hired decent looking strippers. Place will close once Hustler opens.
yea my dude from diamonds beat it up a few times. says her pussy smelled just awful. painful even. the vegas part was made up too.
You mean the stuck up whore who went from cute to fat in four years? Thinks her shit doesn't stink, always has her nose in the air? Claims to be a model and claims to dance in Vegas? Haven't seen her in a year.
That sky still works there. Beautiful girl. Gives great dances
is there a girl...works week days....think her name is Sky?..dark hair.small chest, nice ass..any info...thx
does shawna still work here? big fake tits, fake hair, usually black. she's fuct half of cleveland, but for some reason not me. weird.
This little hottie do any extra's? her ass is amazing.
Has anyone done a room with Jocelyn? I think she used to dance here but left & recently came back.
no, you must be really cheap
Does anyone know where Stacy is dancing?
I haven't seen her in a while, so I don't know if she still works here
I heard porn star Luci Thai is dancing at this club. Is that true?
gracie is great - petite brunette, great dances. great tits!
there are lots of great girls, it just depends on who's working that night. Lots of girls go out for New Years.
Taking my girlfriend there New Years Eve. I want to buy her a dance. Who is the best for dancing for females? Thanx
Too those who know her , should know her well . I heard Ciara is coming back if you know who I am talking about please tell her . tell her daddy is coming home to spoil dat ass
Anyone go last night? How was it? Any hotties there?
Had dances from Lexy, Madison and Paulina...can anyone give scoop on them for private rooms? How much is it? Just wondering...they were so hot out on the floor...WOW
someone told me a girl named gracy was cute and fun - anyone have any info on her?
what ever happen to Dawn?...any info??...
When did that happen? Are they cleaning out the whores like Cassie?
How is the new manager/ managment now in this club I used to work there and have been wanting to come back?
Wow. McKenzie is blazing hot. I'd love to have unlimited $$$$ to spend on her dances. Check her out!!!!
Did I her correctly that Jocelyn is back dancing?
Kimmy has it all. Spent a good part of Tuesday night hangng out with her. No high pressure sales, great conversation, and just a fun girl to hang out with. Defintely worth spending time with her on the couch. Tall, blonde, glasses, gorgeous round ass, and lots of tats. Incredible!!
Who's looking for Kimmy? What does she look like?
C'mon Son is right...this club is nice but to over the top..bring it down the dancers are smokin hot...the guys be guys & just come in & relax alil before your sweatin'em for thousand drinks & WATER.that should be free or $1 or $2 when they're driver of the crew...nice club & smokin azz dancers..let us spend our money on those dancer & not on 4 or 5 drinks...
Kimmy is the hottest girl I have ever seen. Period. THE END.
is the clients or shall we say jennifer's buddies who think she is the nice little old jennifer. they do not know the real her and it is not "fun" to come in this place a get scammed by an old coke whore who is a bad mother, wife, and friend. not only a coke head but an alcoholic. spend your money wisely in here instead of supporting the local drug addicts.
Lexy and Sunshine should not be together. They rip guys off ever night.
first off, who cares who someone is sleeping with! this place is a strip club, a place for fun, right? as far as the dancer's go, i think this club has the hottest and also a nice variety of ladies. as far as service goes, server was horrible! i would have spent a larger sum of money if she had done her job. i look forward to visiting again! thanks ladies!
Does Deja still work there?
yea shes hot if u like someone thats fake head to toe..but hey thats christies for you 90 percent r fake thats not sexy its plastic come on guys get it together yes iwork there and refuse to be fake like all those dumb ugly bitches thanks
I also hear Jennifer is fucking the tall day time dj Scott. Is that true? Thought they could lose their jobs over that. Isn't she married?
Yea I hear she dates some guy in his 50's who hangs out at the club in the afternoons. How agressive is she in a room? no doubt she is a hottie,
those 2 working together cause to many problems ripping guys off.but if thats what u like....