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Hi does anyone know where Acelyn from the old sportsman inn works now? she was the best dancer i wanna see her again
hey i heard that at one time before this place got shut down they had an underage girl working there is that true?
Heard that balloons was reopening.... Is this TRUE??? I GOTTA find out,
hannah is at studio 253. thanx!!!!!
Oliva is hot.. where is she now
i kno that jordan, a blonde with blues worked at both
caddillac is fucking awesome , well for u that can afford it
Didnt know much full menu went on at cadillac..they had private rooms? or just booths?
I have talked to that girl a couple of times at caddy. She asked me to go upstairs for some full menu action for $250 but i declined. She was cute though, just did not want to spend the money.
The city has taken away the license and they can no longer operate. Not sure if permanent but has been closed a few months
What was this girls stage name? and How was She?
just know which door to go in and who to know, but plenty of stuff going on under the radar, plenty of cops are part of the fun so no worries about being shut down now.
Is SILENCE back at Cheaters now that balloons has closed? Anyone know where she went?
was she really thin?
She was into 4 wheelers and camaros didnt really belong there at all just looking for her stage name
anyone know what happened to the young blonde who worked at balloons around christmas her name might have been olivia she had a birthmark on her thiegh lookd like hatchetman she was about 24 and sweet??
hey yoda go back to gay club you came from
This place is closed while the strippers are being AIDS tested.
Is this place closed for good? Where did all the girls go that worked here Cheaters?
Will they at least reopen the video arcade in the back?
Providence, r.i. -- city license regulators wednesday brought down the curtain -- permanently -- on club balloons strip club. on a unanimous vote, the board of licenses stripped proprietor dennis d'ambra of his four licenses, including his license to stage nude entertainment.
the guy that post the last comments a HATER ....lol
are you kidding , I am sure with all the girls he banged he used protection, he would know how dirty they are better than us, hell I might of banged the same girls, but you have to remember he had that place on check, sure he would of covered up everything
heard he left becausehe got sick heared he caught a std
The word is its closed for good because or they will open and shut down a certain time no more open till 5 am. Well Why did they let Joe go to begin with? Where did Joe go? This place and Cheaters are brothels thats the problem.
Your right, he had most of the pimps , out, if he found our a girl had a pimp , she was gone, or if she was , meeting cust , or takeing numbers she was gone He took out the trash all the dancers should put comments on this, the girls that came in after Joe don't know how to use a coumputer, or sold it for crack
for the most part to joe hired *good* girls. not girls that worked for pimps or ghetto trash
I agree, Joe had things jumping , bet he could fix everything, He always fixed all the problems we had when he was on, They should get Joe back to help us, I miss the money
anyone have any news as in if the club will be reopening?
im a dancer and i feel the same way.
Yea, we miss Joe , after he left everything changed, everything, he was hard to work for because he knew everything that was going on, don't know if he could of fixed this problem , but he would shot someone , everyone knew he carried a few guns, and wore a bullet proff vest wtf Joe now we don't have jobs, why did you leave us
Dam no more club, the newspaper said they were open for 10 years with no problems ? Well what changed, ? I know Joe is gone , he had everything in order everytime I was there, and there were a lot of problems, he would do what ever to make everything look good, smoke a cig, and diddle a dancer, and all was good in the hood, he should get it together again , tim
Open up wensday! this week
IS this place shut down for good
By NBC 10 News Published: July 12, 2010 Updated: July 12, 2010 - 7:02 PM vote nowBuzz up!PROVIDENCE -- Providence police said Monday that they will seek to shut down Club Balloons. The strip club was the scene of a fatal shooting over the weekend. The city solicitor will ask the city licensing board on Wednesday for an emergency closure of the club until another hearing can be held on a license revocation. The club's management had no comment Monday.
Blame it on who you want but having thugs and gangstas enter in an establishment and hang outside the parking lots is not a place to be . Maybe its time to shut down this place earlier. Anyway it only takes a few gunshots to hurt innoncent people and not the ones intended. Same thing happened at the Sportsman .
there was an incident at this club. no one called to report something they thought was over. whoever did it waited. this guys lifestyle caused his death not the club. he has a long record of drug offenses and incarceration for those offenses. if he's got a kid, why is he out at 5 am in a strip club. you can't blame the club entirely. they should monitor their clientele a little better though.
Deleting posts about the shooting are not going to change what happened here Sunday. The person died and this has been an ongoing problem with this club for the past few years. This club and what is going on his giving other clubs in providence a bad name. Shut it down earlier or all together and keep the thugs out of the rest of the major clubs. Maybe metal detectors and pad downs are the only option.
wtf nobody is going to talk about it, the guy was somebodys farther, son , brother, and he is dead because of this club, they should take care of his son forever, dead wtf have respect talk about him not the bitches in the club, something needs to be done, who's father, brother, son, is next, sorry just pissed and feal bad for the son who will never see his dad again,
Dancer name. Is it Kendra or Sandra? She's black and is from the Dominican Republic. Nice natural tits and a big butt. Real pretty.
wat ever happened to candice? small white girl long hair natural tits, FATTTTTTT ass classy and pricey for not doing extras but she is hard to forget... will she be back?
the place is kinda and eye sore, but the girls are hot and nasty , way better looking then cheaters, and the vips alot cleaner
Heard this place is a not so safe area and all the girl here like to do anything including extras to make some extra green.
Hey, does Marabelle still work here? She is fit as hell and the best dance you'll ever get.
Some of these Dominatrixes charge $300.00-$500.00 per hour. Thats more than a M.D., D.O., JD., Ph.D., Psy.D., D.Ed., or a Sc.D. charges per hour. How much skill or yrs. in college does it take to spank with a paddle, Golden Showers, Foot Worship, Trampling, and Shit in somebodies face?
there was a professional dominatrix there this past friday. Think she'll be there this friday.
I don't think there is any set prices or rules at Ballons/Studio 253 like at other clubs. I went there in 2003 and stopped by in 2007 to see if the place was stiil open. You'll have a good time there if you bring $50.00 worth of one dollars bills and the door fee, but like any other strip club if you start getting into lap dances, table or private dances, etc. your going to spend alot of money and the girls will try to hustle you.
Despite all the discussion, I am not still totally clear on the price structure. After 9:00 PM the place becomes Balloons. It appears to be $15 to walk in the door. If you want a lap dance, some sources state it?s another $15 to the house. At that point, some sources state $35 per dance, and others state $50 for 15 minutes. Then again, some posters state the girl gets a fee beyond that. I guess I?ll have to go there, pay the cover, and see what the deal is.
Thanks Choir Boy. I was confused. I would to get an 1 or 2 hour domination session with a 40-50yrs. old long dark haired white, asian, or black woman. Nobody ever comments on domination sessions. Lap dances, HJ, BJ, jerkoff sessions, and private dances don't turn me that much.
As I understand it, it is Studio 253 before 9:00 PM, then it is Balloons after 9:00. Before 9:00, they have modeling and fetish / domination sessions. After 9:00 it becomes more like a strip club.
What's the different between Ballons and Studio 253? Is this the same club? Both are at the same address and have the same phone number. Is Ballons called Studio 253 during the daytime?
she works friday night 430to 900and saturday 12to 9 so cum check her out
i heard that Jordan is working at studio 253 durring the day at Balloons, i seen her workin at ballons a few weeks ago, she said she works the club for time to time.
Any alcohol served here or u still go to the vending machine and get popcorn
THe only people going here are thugs looking for a good time. This place is one of the worse clubs in town.
your boyfriend will still be here next weekend!
The balloons have popped here this place is nothing but trouble waiting to happen .
Until last year, there was no law against minors working in strip clubs. There was a story of a 16 year old runaway working one of the clubs (Cheaters?) and authorities found there was no law against it. This loophole was closed quickly and it is now illegal for minors to dance.
Silence is light skinned black girl w nice phat ass? if so yes she is there
Is silence still here?!?
1st ive heard that one. Thats kinda hard to believe
hey im doing some research for a documentary, and i heard clubs in this area can legally hire underage girls can anyone provide me with more info?
I think I will have to post my question in 2 parts
Is diamond still working here or some other place
i heard diamond is almost 30, though she looks young she's been dancing for years
how old is diamond and the other girls heard theres some underage chicks here
yes this is the precious i am looing for
havent seen her in like yrs if this is the same girl im thinking of, thin light skin black girl
back in town looking for precious she gives the best lap dances does any one know if she working any were else
to april and diamond have not seen those two around in weeks are they at another club
been looking for Casey! is she even working any more. she was so much fun!!!!!!
re:sum dude ....nope
Does Jazmine still work there?
re: last comment someone get this guy a literacy test!! sounds like he never finished grade school!!
No she is not i mean don't get me wrong she gives a good lap dance and all but the real star of that club is silence now she will make all your dreams a reality
April is the best!!!!!!!!!!
About fuckin time this club has a good leader girls are alot hotter and there are more
Does a dancer named June still work there - have not seen her the last few times.
Shot out to the baller Fri night/Sat Morning, that made almost a thousand dollars rain on Queen!
where has Kasey been? this girl was hot and soo much fun. ne info? when will she be back???
Sorry : (
Was Wondering if michelle has been in work please get back to me if she comes in tonight or friday very concerned she has not been home in 2 days please write back if she shows up this week end
she workes dayes wed 12noon to 930 pm sat 12 noon to 930pm
this isnt a place for some free entertainment stop fucking complaining
...You need to reduce the charge for VIP Booths, at least during off hours, say before midnight. Also, 15 minutes should be 15 minutes and 30 minutes should be 30 minutes, NOT 13.5 minutes and 28 minutes. The porn is weird, but weird porn (pissing, trannies) is fucked up.
The club is under new management adn there are more girls now on staff. We are now open Wed-Sunday 9pm to 5 am. Redused cover on Wed nights. Come in and play
Hey what happened to Joe, where did he go? Who is the new manager? Are there any new girls that the new management is bringing in or is it the same girls? I haven't ben here in a while and the last time was there this hot girl name Jordan worked there. Is she still there or did she leave?
under new management for the past week joe is gone
yeah like that will ever happen, probally a cold day in hell.
You should do more than reduce the cover on Wed. - you should reduce the room rate, too. You should reduce it during all non-prime hours. The dancers here are hot, the rooms are nice, but they're expensive. With no real bar/strip club amenities, this place is often dead. A VIP room that's occupied at $25/15 minutes (AND QUIT SKIMMING 1 or 2 MINUTES!!!) is better than one that's empty at $50/15 minutes.
hey it's shelly, i'll come earlly on thursday so i can have those shoes for you. you are going to need a lock though. don't 4-get !!!! I be there 9 sharp hopefully no traffic, if anything you have my #, love shelly
i must likely will see you this thursday i thought about and he been borrowing money off me he ain't got no job i have no money right now i need to do for me and the kids he ain't doing nothing lately so ill c ya thursaday Love the Blonde One
fuck off this place is a shithole so how much?
Do all of us a favor and stay home. with that type of attitute we don't need people like you in our establishment
what is the cover at this shithole?
Att: guys we're open wensdays night now with a reduced cover all night long. Come have some fun to start your weekend off right!
hey, come in on thursday, hopefully we can talk. i been real busy. i been working hard on the myspace trying to network between that and scn. hoefully we can talk in person, write back if you get a chance ... love shelly
Hey if this is the shelly i know hopefully apollio the great will let me come work there thurs he was buggin that he don't want me in a strip club enviroment even when i mentioned it im lost for words don't know what im gonna do i mean i really need to go back to work and im so fustrated he is saying no no no and he don't understand that dancing is what i love and to me its art to him its trashy what is a girl to do please some help here im so mad sincerly ~you know the one and only~
so come see them i work wed thru sunday
friday night there was a lot of new and old faces. come check out all these beatuiful girls we have here.
mmmn i wanna see your 40 c's
yes there r girls with big boobs there now i happen to have 40 c
Last time I was in there I was disappointed with the severe lack of clevage. Did I hit it at a bad time, or are there no girls here anymore with huge racks?
Does a cute petite blonde named Kendra work here?
Dooley: You have to be kidding me!!!! Why would you ask such a stupid question??? I guess being a woman with a huge ego and self esteem. Which most bar whores who hang out in your local shit hole and wait for your sorry ass to stroll in and hit on them. Give me a break. Dancers are no different than you or your fat wife. We are proud, beautiful and smart women you wish you could fuck!
Went last weekend and saw a hottie Queen...Anyone know her Miliage?
Hey Joe what happen with a dancer name Sunshine??? she was HOTTT.... I went there last week and was upset with the girls you need to bring the old girls back... but i loved Sunshine...
Hi Ladies..I used to be a dancer ( CF/ FL) before I fell into selling cars for Colonial Honda of Dartmouth. Myself and my GM came up with a great plan for you guys! We can get you into great cars with a little money down. NO CREDIT OR PAYROLL HISTORY NEEDED!!! I will hopefully be stopping by the club this week or next with more information for anyone who wants it. Not a dancer anymore, but still looking out for my girls!
haven't been to balloons in a while. last time i went there was a girl named olivia, her ass was huge.does she work thea still.. and what happend 2 studio 253 it moved to balloons i heard. but i wanna know where it is now in that building..is it only baloons, avn , megaplex and cheaters there?
Is Molly working here? If so, any extras given?
why the heck would you eat a strippers clam?
I got the best booty time private room with her b4...I hear she is working hear again, does anyone know if that is true. The girl was the best in the private vip room. As long as you paid her good you got whateva you wanted. I just remember that meaty pussy she had, looks like a slab of rostbeef hanging there and she loved when I teased it and sucked on it. also loved it when I gave it to her doggy style and she gave some great ass BJ...for a little girls she can take a cock deep in her pussy and mouth...
Do people think this idea s hot?
I checked out the site. It's easily the lamest and tamest idea for strippers that I've ever seen. Pathetic.
Came in on saturday and got some dances from one of the new girls I think her name was holly or molly. WOW she's hot!!! Anyone have in info on her booths or VIPs???
anyone know info on the new club thats supposed to be opening
what is that all about ?
Has anybody heard about that new place called model cruises in Newport? They seem to have some pretty good looking girls working there. Is it worth the drive?
i was here may about a year ago and now back in town just want to know if lucky or april are still working those to were best dancers i like if anyone canlet me know thanx
dancexx (04/01) Lexxy, who cares about her large gap, guys will do anyone with a heartbeat, for cheep money, don't know why she was fired or quit , guess she quit because Joe liked her a lot. well more money for me now , nobody cares, Balloons Dancer, sorry Joe, no more pet Lexxie, lol
lexxi, sorry to inform u but u don't look better than any other girl there. U have no tits no ass, only a pedifile or diddler would like the way u look. Good luck at another club hahaha
The club supplys free condoms in all the vip rooms, thanks JOE for saveing our life
bj should always be done with a rubber but some girls don't care about their life or other people. Alot of guys want a bbbj but that just tells me that they don't care too much about themselves . Kissing and touching in the female genital should not be done in a health club or strip club.
shouldn't u wear a condom for a bj? i mean can u get an std from a bj
Yes, its competely legal, and yes its open on sundays you can get bj or hj or full service, depending on girl. there are condoms in the vip rooms.
go crawl back into your mothers ass fuck head
this place is a run down whore house. all the rejects from other clubs end up here. if its good milage you want you'll get it here these girls are ugly one has down syndrom most are fat and the rest just cant wait for the next dick to suck. i checked out the pictures they have posted on myspace and most of them dont work there. dont waste your money go to a REAL strip club
is this place legal? is it open on sundays?
profile might be set on private so go ahead and make club balloons your friend on myspace!
That Balloons myspace has no pics on it.
girls might try to hustle you right away at the clubs but i think if you talk to the right girl you would have spent your money well.
Are the girls hot at the majority of these clubs or does it depend? What spot is the best to catch the hottest woman and get the most action and the best experience? Caddy Fantasies Foxy or Desire?
you must not go to the clubs often..... CL, Sportsman, Desire, pretty much most of the clubs. Prices vary and so do the girls.
are there any other clubs like this that are full service?
Got some nice full service here. Enjoyed myself. Def come here when you really need it.
no underage girl works here! Girls make up their own prices for dances, boths, and vips.
is that underage girl still there? and what are all the prices for things dances, pvt room ect
when do lexi and roxxie perform what times
some pictures of the dancers and the club would be nice instead of telling everyone to come on down
The newest girls check them out both are very nice good milage in vip, and the 2 girl show is hott, bill
no girl that works at this club is under 18!
hey is this club safe to go to... is there really underage girls? i just want to make sure i'm not at some club that gets busted and then i get fucked over because i was just out on the town. if anyone knows of clubs running illegal activity post it, i don't want to get fucked over and look bad just because some girl is 17.
does diamond still dance here? and how old is she?
hot new girls.....cum check us out
Where the fuck is she????Does she still work here or what???
is jordan in pvt, good mileage?
this cunt has 6 kids shes worn out her pussy stanks and she has aids watch out for these girls theyre not good for buisness i got my dick sucked a few weeks ago come to find out i got the clap from these whores
how is this place? i went there when it first opened up and it was the worst ever. it was one room about the size of a bedroom with a little tiny corner stage and one girl..it was the biggest waste of money in my life. i never went back...40 bucks for the forty seconds we were there
gina is an ugly cunt bag haha and no one likes her
i wnt to balloons friday and met this really HOT dancer namd cherry i think she's petitte and very sweet def the best lap dance ever!
Jordan, I love your MySpace. Girls pics look great. I can't wait to stop in sometime. I hear the two girl show on sat night is unbelieveable. Are you in it?
hey joe what's with all of the old ladies in this place with their saggy bellies I thought this place was 18 plus if your looking to cater to a young crowd then you should think about an age cut off you need more girls who look like Jordan long blonde hair and a tight ass no more of those droopy assed grandmothers rubbing their flap jack tits in my face
get a life u hoe, you look used and abuzed on myspace. all theze girlz look weakn used up...
Dam johnny you fucked up that your baby mama shes beautiful i go in the doll just 2 see her. i would love 2 wife her up shortys a dime peice!!!!!
does April look like ?
is back, is it true...Did they get rid of Jordan..Do either of these girlz do extras.
I heard that Dimaond and April are back at Balloons thatks Joe
does anyone know if diamond still dances here?
which side is better ballons or cheaters?
What does she look like ?
Watch where you park around there. You have to park in the lots. Otherwise the cops will give you a parking ticket for parking on the street after 1am.
Saw a dancer at club desire last week named April said she was at ballons, might be same one? If any regulars are interested, does good booth work.
Jordan the stuck up one and bring back April, she is the bomb!!!
Every body you ever guess where April is working now at mickey's come on joe i know that you are a nice guy an all can you just give april her job back she at that place and that place is a dump she a Balloons girl not mickey's girl so am ask you as a good customer can you just give her one more try
What does Jordan look like? Skin color, body type, breast size. Also, what shifts does she work? Thanks.
What does this last commetn mean bout Jordan & April? I like em both, they are both hot. I had Jordan before and April and they are both hot. Jordan got that nice little pussy though. I am gonna go back for some more. Hope they are both still there any one know or will I just have to go and fine out for myself, haven't been there in a few weeks now.
I went here about two years ago and then I got deployed. I met this fabolous asian puerto rican chick last time I was here. She said she was from boston. Killer body with a face to match. Had long hair with a nice ass. Anyone know if she is still around?
we never finished last time. if you want to rock out all night, hope you see this, i'm going tofoxwoods
if you took the night off and want to make up 4 it, cum to my party.
Jordan is a much better dancer than April, April is a little tease on a prwer trip, Jordan, is a sweet Blonde, umm, who cares in the long run , Jordan gives more Bang for your buck, thats all I care about, I am sure Joe will side with who makes the most money for the club , it is a business, Tim
Thats true what what the hell said it is unfair so why dont so guys go there this thursday and try to get april her job back we could talk to joe and let him now she one of the best and that it would be good move to give her another run there so whos with me
is a slut & she sucked my cock too. I am so glad that April kicked her ass though, maybe she won't be so stuck uo anymore....Joe is all over and lets her do what she wants which isn't fair to the other girls. It about time someone put Jordan in check...
what does april look like? who is the broad posted by all4u/ she looks familiarl. jordan sucked my cock so hard. it really hurt.
Is a little stuck up bitch and hopefully April kick her fuckin ass!!!! She is only 19 yrs old but acts like she is so above everyone else. She knows Joe loves her and can get away with whatever she wants. All she does is use peps for whatever she can and then has no use for you when she can't use you anymore.
what the hell i been going here for about a year and i hear from a couple of guys that april got fired because Jordan got in her face so she push her come on now april is one of the best dancers they have there and her to to lose her job because of a push come on just bring her back people make mistakes just let her come back give her another shot
I was there saturday. Pretty good...is this girl still working at ballons? i saw here last summer there and at cheaters and at balloons in jan/07. I'm not in town much, but heard she moves around a bunch maybe cadillac or desire, but a reg at balloons. I was one of her regs. someone emailed me this pic and said she was on CL. anyword?
hey I was wondering the same thing which is does this place check IDs and also that is another thing is there really a 15 year old girl working there? cuz that's gotta be like illegal
hey does this place check ids me and my buddies want to bring in someone who is only 17 also is it true that diamond is really 15?
havent been to the club in almost six months, but was a regular before that. you gotta kno what girls to talk to get anything worth while, so go with someone whos been there before. some of the spanish girls there got serious attitude problems. i was a fan of gia, the milf with big titties! lol! she always wanted to give me her number, and one night she gave me her mother's number instead and almost got fired for stealin a pen from joe. she still work there, and who good to see nowadays?
like to get off balloons vip rooms are the best, thanks for putting condoms and porn in the rooms Joe you demented little man, you are the best.
Who is this jordan girl shes sounds like shes good but then again everybody syas she stuck-up then dont go to her i seen her gross theres this girl named diamond there.warning shes really 15 so whoever got a dance off of her congratulations pervert shes under age.tere is also some girl there that looks like she has down-sydrome leave her alone!and the little dwarf joe his neice she will suck you off for $20 dollars.dirty lil bastard.
See Comment Below "Club Balloons Girls" I hear yeah, whoever posted the comment about the girls at this club. The blonde chick with the zits on her ass is Jordan who does think she is the shit but is far from it. I played this girls game one time I was there. Wanted to talk to her to see what she was about and she thinks she it the shit, is so full of herself. I thought is was so funny. Not to mention that she is way over priced and couldn't make half that money she asks for at a regular legit club. Most of the girls there I find are like that but she takes the cake. Get a life this girl is a joke.
This place is way overpriced for what they offer. These girls all look drugged out and really don't have what it takes to make it in a real club. They are Cheaters rejects. A BIG waste of time and money!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ballons is good but they let in too many fake ass hard kids some of the girls are cool others are just there for the $$$$$$$ some of the spanish ones cool.white girls fuck them! except hollywood i'll smash that. cheaters suck!!!!!!!!!!!!!
yes it is me BRYAN X and i was there on friday until 3;30 in the morning and all i have to say is this place is the best place to be they have some of the best girls here to my fav one is april she cool as can be
Bryan X is most likely going to be there this weekend
But wondering about Balloons. What is the going rate for FS in the $50 rooms? How do the girls rates compare to Cheaters? Which girls do FS?
Ballons is okayt but it has too many white girls with no bodies.not enough spanish or black girls
This place does suck, bunch wannabe gangsta's hang here....The girls suck and there was this one big nose blonde wit small tits that thought she was the shit but wasn't. We couldn't help laughing at the zits on her ass!!!
I found this picture of the staff, can you name them, lol, all are ok
Wow johnny's haveing a baby!! heard him an his girl split to bad thats one bad chic i would wife her up all day!!!!!
The vip rooms are 50.00, the body rub room is 70.00, I went in with madison had a great time, umm, well you just have to check her out, you get what you pay for. Thank- You Joe for the new rooms, your club is the best, Bill Maxwell
for the house fee in the VIP room?...how much does the dancer get? Are there other rooms that are less pricey??
I went to Balloons last week-End , Two girl full action on stage at 2:45am, like looking at a live porn, dam, so I got a lap dance in the vip room with Savanna, Full action, great time the room was very clean and Private this club is great the girls are good and bad , however I counted 20 girls working, the manager is every were makeing the girls work, he is like a high class pimp, smallest club I ever seen but best time well spent money. URI Loves Balloons
is works every night, good play in vip platum room, worth the money 150.00
Saw a cute brunette there a couple of weeks ago going by the name Cassandra. She might've been new. Does she still work there? And what does she offer? Anyone know?
You have too check out the vip rooms, I went with ariel, she is not the best looking girl but for 100 ANYTHING GOES, and I do mean anything, wow , other girls do the same but cost more, thanks for putting condoms in the rooms Joe
Did Jordan change her name to Madison. I had a friend go to Balloons last night and he got a dance from a girl that he described to a t that sounds like Jordan but he said she goes by Madison????
rumer is a news crew came into ballons is that true?