I'm moving to your area soon and will be looking for a place to work. Cabn anyone tell me anything about this club? Which clubs are the best? Thank you
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Hi I'm looking to reconnect with Cody from Mouse's Ear - everyone was great from there when me and my friends visited in March, 2010 from Vermont. Curious if she is still working @ the Ear or any other way to reach her. Thx
It would be nice if they reopened. It's not likely to happen.
So I have to ask....is anyone still hoping they'll re-open this place ?....lol
Does any bottoms up girls check this site? Does anyone know if Holly is working at any clubs?
The gold & silver club will be hosting an amateur night, sunday october 12th, from 8pm-1am. there will be a cash prize for the winner of the competition in addition, the dancers can keep what they make on stage. free amateur night shirts will be given out while supplies last. the gold & silver club 3121 franklin rd, roanoke, va. 540-982-5555
Do any of the former Bottoms Up girls do private parties?
Hey skippy, get back into the kitchen and wash dishes. You l@@k like an asian that got a "B" in Math. I'll make certain to pass along your e-mail to all my spam friends.
What is it with Republican Closet cases being so militantly anti-gay to rile up the stupid to get votes, while privately SUCKING DICK for years or playing toe tapping man on man homo games in public toilets? And then there is that pedophile republican congressman Foley in Florida who was preying on ubderage boys (pages) while the reoublican leadership protected him for years since they didn't want to lose his House seat. So much for family values!
if anyone is looking for holly, she is now working at the mouse's ear, but she now goes by marilyn, come in and see her!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Well, any news on a new opening yet ? Not that I"m holding my breath.
does anyone know where casey is @ now?
Please, jerry, open this club in newport! we need you! the world needs you! let it be just as wild and crazy and sleazy as the old bottom's up! please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Holly was at the Electric Cowboy in JC last night. She said that Jerry might be opening a new club in Newport and if he does then she will be the first girl hired to work there.
Used to work at bottoms up. Now I am living in knoxville and looking to work at a club again. Anyone have any suggestions as to where to go. I was thinking about chattanooga.....maybe.....
Chasty if you work here let me know. I would like to come and work were you are. Miss you grl.
Do any of the former bottoms up girls do private parties?
Chyna, How do I get in touch with you for a private party? Brian
anyone know what club Holly is working at in SC? and um... I mite be needing you for a bachelor party Chyna. you doing parties with any other girls?
regular... just comment on here baby n ill get at u
Matt also does private parties for the ladies and you guys who play for the other team.
Chyna, how does one get in touch with you for a private party.
Yes, I do private parties. $200 an hour.
I heard that Holly is working in Greenville, SC. Does anyone know which club she is working at.
and yes i miss the place like crazy! it was the first club i ever worked at! i have never met a bunch of girls like that! i consider them family! but if you are ever in princeton west virginia go to southern xposue and ask for PHOEBE! thats my girl friend! she is amazing! all you ass men, trust me! its world class! i love you baby
wel just so all you dumbass fuckers know, not all of us were hookers! i never in the time i worked there, went home with anyone of the customers! now i know who did, and yes there were a couple of them, but they did it to make money for issues that you dont know! so please stop bad mouthing people you know nothing about!
does anyone know where all the girls are now working (if they are)? Especially destiny.
i wished that bottoms up was still open u could have a good time, the first time i went there, i met one of the girls, and she took me home with her that night, i was seeing her for a while, but that was just for a piece of ass and for her to pay for my truck. but what can i say, money and sex. she might have even been pretty, if she didn't have such a messed up grill, only down side to it was i had to go to the doctor afterwards and found out that i had caught something from her. so i checked around and found out that not only did she take me home the fisrt time she met me, but she does that sort of thing alot. so, guys if u ever had sex with ANGEL aka MARIE, do yourself a favor and get checked
I didnt pay cash. they all just want party favors. They like the candy you know. And they will do anything and anybody for it. Me and all my friends took turns with a couple of girls one time and lets just say they probably couldnt shit for a week cause we pounded their asses so hard
now "get a life", no one said they were angels. I just stated where they were. and umm.. i aint had to "pay" for any of them.
wow thats two out of how many. I know and have purchased most of the girls there and there are no angels just hookers
ive talked to some since the place closed. i know that casey went to school. last i heard from holly is that she was about to get married.
i think most of them are in jail or heading that way.
Anyone know where any of the Bottoms Up dancers are working now?
i do belive that they do im not for i think i know of one but i have to know who u are before i reply any info to u or her
Do anyone of the former bottoms up girls do private parties?
Marie, are you working at any clubs now?
Hey guys that club was great just holla at me yall i miss working at bottoms up
Anyone know whatever happened to Divine and Heaven?
This club has been closed down.... you wouldn't have wanted to work here anyway, it was a shithole. The only one left open is the mouses ear.
Is this club open? any money to be made? level of contact? Give me some info on this place and i might post my foto all you guys 'll fall for :)))
Where is China working?
what club did casey go to?
Is there a girl that works there that use to go by the name of olivia at another club????
hey i still miss you guys
This is me now at the ear i go by heaven there
Hey guys im at the ear now
Sorry, I don't check the SCL daily. I have to mention, though, that actually it's more impressive to get into NYU Law School than it is to get into Yale undergrad. I have received various scholarships in my current undergrad program. That being said--employing the logic I used to get a 177 on my LSAT--I would have to ask why a fellow who graduated with honors from Yale would live in this area. I mean, come on, graduating with honors from Yale would land one with quite the lucrative job. You mean to tell me with honors at Yale you can only afford $5 for a lap dance?! It would seem with that 6-figure salary you wouldn't have to associate yourself with "low-life trash bags" whom worked at Bottoms Up.
Yes, that was the good old days. A v.i.p. from Casey or Lee and you could leave a happy camper.
NO! It's CLOSED! That info is posted over and over on this board! Seems Miss "Intelligent" Ho, can't respond to a simple question, if she's a big city gal like she is claiming! It is CLOSED for good! The police shut it down and "stuck it to the place" Sorry NO MORE Bottoms Up! And YES it was one hell of a "mileage" club! Those girls "put it ALL OVER YOU" You would have gotten anything you wanted there! I DID!
Kay and Bobby hey guyz i miss ya. me and heaven split but i've been trying to find you guyz 4 a year or so.love to hang out sum time.
Is this club open? Will be visiting JC soon and interested if this is a good mileage club. Thanks.
With honors! now about that scholarship? now that's friggin funny! lol at you!
Congratulations if you graduated, LOL!.
WOW! I bet you are on a scholarship too? I went to Yale! So I guess that outranks you doesn't it? When you get that degree why don't you post a copy of it? O' You can buy those at Spencer's in your local yokal mall.
First off, LOL, I never said, "Here is an example of me matching wits." My point is I don't think anyone has the right to call someone a "dumbass" nor '"ho's"' based on "what [he] sees here the spelling and the vocabulary" (and that's not even a sentence) when s/he uses apostrophes incorrectly and so forth. I'm pretty sure, too, if SCL had a game called "Matching Wits" I would beat you. People being from Erwin or Greenville or being "'tards" or "LOW LIFE TRASH" doesn't make you any smarter.
Actually, no, I'm from Kingsport. A girl from Kingsport who is going to NYU to study law. So, that's very intelligent ho to you, LOL. ;-)
August where are you? I miss you baby! Post me one!
hey guys whats going on with everyone. just wanna say that i miss you guys very much and hope hear from you soon. oh i am workin at the mouses ear if any of ya wanna stop by and say hello. much love guys and stop by cause you never who know might be working there from the club.
WTF? Are you TRYING to say you stuipd Mein, Gee I don't see you matching wits with ANYONE with those comments! You are a dumbass, that's an insult incase you didn't get it! WTF are you talking about, Your comment "I" doesn't have anything to prove? Looks like you are the one who missed more than the second and third grade! Dumbass ho! Where are you from Erwin or Greeneville?
Are you or any of the other girls planning on working at any of the Johnson City clubs?
"Well doesn't have ANYTHING to prove to you or anyone else!" Wow, there, Reg. Guy! It ( ----That's a pronoun--just so you know) looks like someone missed pronoun day in 2nd grade! If you were trying to say, "I [doesn't] have ANYTHING to prove to you or anyone else!" then you also missed the subject-verb agreement day in 3rd grade! I was a dancer at BU for a while, and I am confident I could match wits with you anytime, "Reg Guy."
Happy birthday Marie. I'm really sorry for all that you girls went through, I hope you guys are doing okay now.
Happy Birthday Marie! I wish I could come to your party. I would like to see you.
No one said that you personally said anything, but since you have so many negative things to say, it only stands to reason that you yourself think the same way. As far as my facts go, I was only going by your recent statements. So, if you don't like it when someone says something about you, then have the same courtesy for other people.
Oh come on lets do match wits. If you have'nt noticed thats what we've been doing. Seems to me that you like this game as well as I do:) lol Good day Mate!
Although I am NOT by any means an August fan, I would like to say this! I thought what the paper did with the pic's and real names and stage names, was total b/s! I still can't stand you girl, but what they did was wrong, Are they trying to get you girls killed? You should check into suing! As far as this Eliz. person it doesn't take to much of an education to dye or cut hair! If you have to brag about being smart then you are a loud mouth dummy! Well doesn't have ANYTHING to prove to you or anyone else! Don't even try to match wits with me!
i don't know how much of an education that the other girls have, but i am educated. i am also a licensed cosmotologist. i have a very high IQ, that is why i went where i could make money. as far as people thinking that strippers are low life trash, then why did you jump right in the can with them, because that is what you did every time you came in the club. i thought that you said there was a girl or two that you liked when you came in the club, if that being the case then you are just being a hypocrite, i guess that you must be related to john kerry, he was also wishy washy as well.
All I have to say is look at you UNEDUCATED "ho's" Such 'tards! And you wonder why the ENTIRE WORLD thinks that strippers are "low life trash bags" Some of you look like crackheads in the pictures in the paper, Honestly I hope you "girls" get your lives together, and do something productive with it! But from what I see here the spelling and the vocabulary, I heard Micky D's is hiring! 'Liz pry those lips off the B's butt! As far as the comment to Paris, I guess TRUTH HURTS now doesn't it Aug.?
Hey there all, I do not think Jerry is going to open any other business anywhere too soon. However if he does I will let you all know. And thanks Eliz for the comment :) Good day mates!
Sorry about all the bullshit, guys! I loved working here and and will not work at another club.I hope u guys haven't 4gotten me! I actually live in SC and I just haven't been traveling back alot.I will miss all u cool chics and customers.The BU is most def home 2 me!Holla at cha girl!
Ladies, new club opening in Nashville. Come help us open and get most of traveling expenses paid. Please check Craigslist, Nashville under retail/rest/hosp under "barstaff needed" posted Monday March 20. I look forward to giving you more info. Pass the word!!!
Thanx for every one who loves me i will be in kpt if anyone needs me thanx tank ( im working taco bell on eastman rd if u want to see me thanx)lol!!!!!
Where is Marie now? I thought she was the best dancer.
August definitely was not friendly to the customers or girls in my experience.
Dollars hey there, Holly is working in Greeveville S.C. and I dont know about Destiny. I haven't talked to her lately. Good day!
Is this club open again and what are the names of the girls working there now? Thanks
August, Do you know if Holly or Destiny are working anywhere? Thanks
Sorry hun I have no info on Zena since I am "miss info". However I have tried to find out and I made some calls but no news. So once again Miss info can only give you info she knows. But dont think I didnt try because I did, sorry again, Good day mates:)
I will try to help you, on Xena since "Miss Info" will not respond and said she was trying to give info to those who wanted it! I have a friend that works at Police Dept. He said someone tried to poison her b/c she was trying to "set people up" IE Get them busted also! Last I heard she was in the hospital, Her condition was not good, If I hear anything else, I will let you know! My advice to you is stay away from her! Also "China" was working at Papa Johns, before she had the baby. No other info on her! I hope this helps the both of you!
Any word on Xena? Does anyone know where she is? I would like to see her! Any word at all would be greatly appreciated! Thank you for the information. I have called several times and cannot get in contact with her, Anyone with information on her PLEASE respond. Thanks Again.
I have to totally agree with regular guy! august is the meanest, rudest, most hateful inhuman being i have ever met in my few years of dancing! i saw the news today, i thought omg can this be for real? so haha! to august! i agree rgeular guy, i hope she falls off the face of the earth! way to go regular guy for exposing her for what she is!
First of all, I do NOT have to get out a dictionary! I can spell! You ("nice") not need to worry about me! I have alot of friends that can't stand that hateful & rude "b", she has "ran off" more patrons than you will ever know! So YOU "nice" can bite me! If you don't she will! Believe me I know that's not all she'll do for a few extra bucks! The injunction is ONLY temp. that place will NEVER close! I just hate it for all the good & nice girls who worked there! But her who cares if she falls off the face of the earth! See you at the grand opening! For a good dance and those extra's!
I read the article about the club not being able to reopen. To use crass language, "It sucks!" August, Thanks for your efforts to keep everyone posted. I know you worked hard. If you or any of the other girls go to other clubs in the area, let me know. To any girls and regular customers reading this, I wish you the best of luck. It's been great! Here's looking to a new Bottoms Up sometime in the future.
Hey there all, 1st off Thank you "pantara", I remember you. 2nd Dollars, Jerry and I are working on it. Its not easy, however it will be done.We have lost track of the time trying to get everything done right.3rd Sorry for losing track on what this site is about also. Good day mates!
August, do you know if the club plans on reopening this weekend?
Hey, to answer your question- you have 2 other options in JC. The Mouse's Ear is popular, but no private dances and no touching. At Fuzzy Holes (no kidding), it is sort of a dump, but some pretty girls and nice couch dances. Good luck!
LOL hugs and kisses "guy"!
dear regular guy stop being an asshole I am trying to help the ones out that want the info./ and btw i an 30 so my mom always told me if you didnt have anything nice to say then shut the hell up! GOOD DAY MATES (and if you had a clue you would know were that comes from).
I must live under a rock over here in the mountains of NC!!! I am new to the area friend. I looked on line in the Johnson City Press, but could not find anything listed. Are there any other clubs? I need to take my wife, she is horny for some tits. Thanks for the feed back.
Where do you live under a rock? Do you not read the paper? It is posted on this site stupid! The police shut it down! IF you can read the other posts, then you can read a paper! Stupid!
will you guys quit pissing on each other, and let me know what happened and why. But more importantly, when or if the club will reopen? What is the Oasis and are they in Johnson City? Is it a strip club? Thanks for the help. And stop your fighting, life is too short.
A clue? What does that ACTUALLY have to do with ANYTHING? What YOU need to get is a DICTIONARY! "Aloud" (your spelling) the CORRECT spelling is ALLOWED! I have bought dances from YOU and let me just say you are NO angel by far! Your "private dances" well, I am sure you know the point I am making! What Regular Guy means is I come to the club alot! Well, I used to!
August, Thanks for keeping everyone posted about the club. I look forward to stopping by when it reopens.
No! What's REALLY FUNNY is your spelling! Notice disclose is NOT spelled the way you spelled it declose(your spelling) and I take it the owner is making the same MISTAKE TWICE! As some-one else said! If so I really hate it for the girls because the last time "You" were in charge YOU made it hard on the dancers! The actual pretty ones that actually got out and worked! They sat and talked with me about it! I also see you said something about NOT giving you a chance to be nice! Well just goes to show by your recent comments you are STILL NOT nice! Nor will you ever be! How old are you anyway? 30-35? Isn't PAST time you retire? What's up with this stupid good day mates anyway?
lol thats so funny how you can make fun, however my husband is in school atm and will NOT be part of the bar and as far as myself we are trying to get this all worked out. NOW yes i will make sure the dances are CLEANER and that there will be NO DRUGS aloud. So to you regular guy get a clue! and to all others good day mates!
Thanks, August! I'm looking forward to going back to the club. Do you know if Holly or Destiny will be working there?
why did the club close? and where is or what is the oasis? thanks
not 100 % sure bout this weekend it actually looks like next so hope to see you there. good day mates
is the club still set to reopen this week?
hey there, yes I do know the prices will be the same and about the dances they will be great as well, however with the recent events they will be somewhat cleaner. Anyhow the bar is still Bottoms-Up! good day mates
That's great the club will reopin. Do you know if the dances and prices will be the same?
sorry i cant declose that info however it will be much cleaner and better, good day mates
If it going to reopen, any word on "new management?" Who it will be?
Hey there, I'm thinking the club will reopen by next weekend. So good day mates!!
Hopefully the club opens back up soon, I am already missing it.
any word when the club will reopen?
(Doc) You've got to be NUTS! All the "honset living" Women you are referring to, Weren't they arrested? Did you read the newspaper? If not pick up a copy "Honest living" HAHA! Also, I KNOW you left out a few of the TRULEY HOT women! I have been a coustmer since the Bristol club, I have known a few of the women you mentioned and one of them you are referring to is not good looking, inside or out! I see that there is going to be a change in management not a good thing.
Hey there all, yes the bar will reopen a.s.a.p.. Also its nice to hear from you too, Brian.
August, it's good to hear from you. It will be nice if the club reopens. To potential customers out there, don't believe what you heard in the news about the club. While the club had its' problems, most of the girls there are nice ladies who are making an honest living. You won't find nicer and more attractive girls than Casey, Holly, August, Destiny and Annastasia. Look forward to visiting again. The club, for customers, was always a safe and fun place. Save my chair when you reopen.
Who? Hope it's not the people that were there before! They were awful to the patrons as well as the girls, (the girls giving the good dances, ) I think it had alot to to with jealousy, To the owner! Please don't make the same mistake twice! Please!
I'm not exactly sure when we will reopen, but you can count on me to let you all know. Brad btw, I am pretty sure Destiny will be back. Hope to cyas soon!
Was destiny involved in all that stuff? I hope she will be coming back.
Hello to all. Just to let you all know the Bottoms Up will reopen. Probably better than ever. Customers come see for yourself and ladies come join us! It will be under new management however it will still be Bottoms Up. I would like to thank all the nice comments about me and sorry for the ones that didn't give me a chance. Hopefully we can all meet in the middle somewhere! Hope to see you all soon, good day mates!!
What happen to China. Is she still working?
lol. .. the oasis. Is that still open? Scary fucking place. Bummer about the raid. If you pick a hard copy of the Sunday's 1-29 paper there's a full list of who all was arrested. A lot more older strippers than I would have expected based on what I've seen there before!
Had a great time anyway Destiny; best wishes. Brad.
Went to bottom's up for the first time in about 5 years last night. I will put it like this, I will never go to the Mouse's ear ever again. Sure the club was packed last night and the girls had to show alot of attention to other guys, but when the girls would dance for you, it was definitely worth it. Bottoms up will definitely be my club of choice from now on. Next time I go I just hope the place isn't as crowded, because with the money I have I could have easliy dropped $500 if the girls would have just stayed around me and my buddies.
Never been to the Mouses Ear west, but you must have went to the one in gray at the wrong time. I agree that you're never there to make friends and that any club you go to there will be bitches, but the girls at Bottoms up ( save for 2 or 3 of them ) are some of the most godawful bitches I've ever seen in one place.
I have worked at both Bottoms Up and the Mouse's Ear, but the fact of the matter is that the girls are much more tolerable to be around at Bottoms Up. In my humble opinion you don't work at a strip club to make buddies. The girls at the Mouse's Ear are hateful, cut throat and mean with out reason. You won't make as much money at Bottoms Up, but you will be happier. If you have the option to drive to Knoxville, then I would very highly recommend the Mouse's Ear West. The girls there are very nice, and the management is great! I wish I lived in Knoxville full time, because that club is not only a grea place to work, but the $$$ is in abundance. Hope I helped :)
You definately don't want to work at this club if you're concerned about how the girls will treat you. This is probably the most unprofessional, jealous bunch of girls I"ve ever seen in one club. Try the mouses ear, they're much friendlier there.
My friend and I are wanting to work out of town; we are experienced dancers. We are looking for a "dancer-friendly" atmosphere regardless of the size or elegance of the club. Recently, we tried a couple of small clubs, though the clubs were fine, the dancers were not thrilled to have us! Basically, managment didn't want to hear them bitch and ask us not to come back. We need to find a club where the dancers are professional and don't get intimidated by a little competition. What about this club? Or any recommendations?
Now that August is back, I think I'll venture back there. I like a few others but she (August) just makes the night. She is some what of a bitch, but arent most of them anyways.
I just want to say thank you to Divine for a great time in the club and do you remember the guy who had the red hair and you told him to finish shaving his head smooth. If so it is me and I just want to say hello and thank you again. Plus if you want to say hello use my email I sent to the club.
You could try being nice and talk to them, that has always worked for me.
Divine: You and Destiny work out your problems ? Share the outfit ! Bottom's Up don't need to lose you nor her..... Mercedes: Keep shaking that ass..... What ever came of the fight between Nikita's Ex-Bf and Bf ?
Divine and Mercedes are fucking hot.. and LoL @ china getting beat up...Another thing, August is gone now :( for fighting.... Anyways, as Divine said, it just depends on the dancer.. August gave great private dances, but another dancer gave a not so great one....just depends..... Mercedes...do you remember them two dudes that come in, the one with the weed necklace and the other with the weed beanie ? anyways im the one with the necklace.... Peace
ijjy, I am a dancer there. I have only worked there for about 7 months now. This is the first strip club I have ever worked at. The only thing that I can tell you is that each dancer is different. I don't know what the other girls do, but I guess it is really up to you to come see for yourself, its 25 bucks for a private dance. Sorry that I couldn't help you out more. Hope you will come and see us and if you do I hope you have a good time and if not I am really sorry.
Can anyone tell me what the private's are like at this club?? Are they like the ones at the Ear where really all they are is an over-priced table dance or are they better?? I have heard several stories about them but everyone knows how rumors are.. I have been there once and I am interested in going back but I would like to know what I have to look forward to.. Can someone help me out here??
Thanks for the posted comments, that really makes me feel good. I have a really good time when I am working I hope to see you all there soon. You guys take care and see you next friday!
I have always heard "stories" about the private dances at the Bottoms Up. How much of them are true?? From what I have heard, the private dances are WELL worth it??
sorry you had to retire harley, miss you and you are a really sweet and pretty girl. I hope that you come back soon. Thanks to Heaven, Divine, Holly, Nikita and Cupcake. You gals are really beautiful. Thanks Christina you are sweet. Thumbs up on whipping China's ass (ha ha). I enjoy the new management. To Tony and Adam you are awesome, love ya. I enjoy working here a lot more because of Jerry and Rhonda. Thank You Greg, Brandon, Wanderer, Shane, Ryan, you guys are my favorite customers. To everyone else stop in and see me
This place needs a website.
Uhh, she does not dance there to the best of my knowledge. I only go on Friday or Saturday nights so she may dance during the week. I will be there this weekend (Friday). I will look for her....
What nights does the hot, tall, natural blonde dance (she danced by the name of Candy at the m. ear )she may go by Shay here.
Well, I have been to Bottom's Up a few times. Casey, August, Destiny, Holly, Anastasia, and Divine are hot. Maybe a couple others. I've been pretty messed up most the times I was there. It's not hard to get lapdances there. The more popular girls may take a little bit before they get to you though. The private dances are really good. *trust me* All I gotta say is I love August. LoL I will probably be there the first weekend of March too. So if you see a dude there with a shirt that says I 3 Lesbians or I'm with Stupid with an arrow facing down... That's me Peace
I cant believe i found it after all this time. I first made it to Bottoms Up my sophomore year of college because i was in town for the NAIA National track meet. My first trip to a Titty Bar. Casey BLEW ME AWAY. the following year i once again qualified for the National Meet and HAD to make a return trip to see the show. Casey Casey Casey...its been 2 years since i was in the area, but in my last year of track, I QUALIFIED AGAIN and am lookign forward to another trip to Bottoms Up. First weekend in March '05
Folks, if you get the chance...GO THERE.....Candy gives awesome private dances.....Pamela is also quite talented.....the one girl I wanted a dance from never did come by despite asking her at the stage on several occasions for a table dance. Oh well, beggers can't be choosers!
The club is under renovation, As far as looks that is all well and good, but they all can't be Beauty Queens, Different strokes Different folks, The club does Not have it's own web-site, So if you are looking for good dances and good fun, friendly girls and New manager is super nice (better than the old),
hey is this the club just across the AL state line? If so I wanta say hello. I worked there once for a couple of nites and had a lot of fun.
I'd like to know if they have their own web site. great bar all the girls are very nice looking and very sweet, Ive been there 4-5 times since november 2003. casey is the hottest girl there but its very hard to get a dance from her because shes always so busy. the con of the club is the cig. smoke even my freind who smokes didn't like how stuffy it was. the best night to go is thursday because their isn't any one there so you can pick and chose. if your in the jc area, go there instead of mouses ear, its alot better.